Cheap Labor?

[catfish]

CHEAP LABOR?

Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage

Consumers don't want expensive produce

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs

But the bottom line is cheap labor

The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie
~ there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.

He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour.
At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax,
yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return,
he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent

He qualifies for food stamps

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay)
health care

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school

He requires bilingual teachers and books

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled,
they qualify for SSI.

Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.

All of this is at that taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life
insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins
and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to
$30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour
Left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime,
graffiti removal and extra trash clean-up.

Cheap labor?
YEAH RIGHT!
Wake up people!

[Wyody]

There are many states in this country where neither you nor I could find a job paying more than $6 an hour.
Not even the right place to bring up the low wages paid to waiters/waitresses - like Ohio, like the intermountain States.
But I do want to differentiate between the immigrants (legal or not) who come here, work their tails off for the "chicken-feed" wages you mention - and receive the benefits simply because they can ... and ...
And the government that will allow this - and also allow millions and millions to be spent on other countries' people - and aren't instituting the same programs for our own.
As with many major problems at the forefront today - it is, once again, the fact that we - as a bright, "wealthy" world leader - continue to not solve problems at the core and instead, wait until they're a problem jumbled in with all the rest of the problems.
One must remember ... this is how our cities got crowded in the first place - by poor people who wanted to earn a living and couldn't "down on the farm".
It's no secret that most of our system is a broken, inadequate dinosaur ...
and I personally think more attention should be given to approaching population and immigration problems properly here at home - with a mixture of intelligence and humanity - rather than shipping billions around the world. Fix us first.
There is a basic problem with Capitalism - a similar problem with having "borders" - and that is ... it's just another system that doesn't really work.
Brotherhood works - and that's where our attentions should be focused - and taking care of "our own" first ... and our neighbors ... which includes Cuba.
It's only a bit too idealistic because of our long history of approaching problems with greed, avarice and a bad attitude and lately, of course, with stupidity.
Peace

[catfish]

Do you think you are getting cheap labor by
hiring an illegal alien? Let's do some
analysis: Take, for example, an illegal alien
with a wife and five children. He takes a job
for $7.00/hour. At that wage, with six
dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the
end of the year, he gets an "earned income
credit" of up to $3,200 free. He qualifies for
Section 8 housing and subsidized rent, food
stamps, free (no deductible, no co-pay) health
care, his children get free breakfasts and
lunches at school. He qualifies for relief
from high energy bills and SSI. Once qualified
for SSI they qualify for Medicare. He doesn't
worry about car insurance, life or homeowners
insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language
signs, bulletins, printed material. He and his
family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to
$30.00/hour in benefits. Working Americans are
lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after
paying their bills and HIS BILLS.
LOOK, THE REAL COST OF THAT CHEAP LETTUCE IS A
STAGGERING $20 A HEAD!!!!

[isabel]

I think it has something to do with the Attitude and perception of Americans. We are the promised land. Come to America and make your dreams come true...We have sold that notion to the world and our children...therefore, we choose to believe that there isn't any "REAL" poor people in our country. Just folks who choose not to work and collect welfare. No one is going hungry they can get food stamps. Our poor can't be as bad off as those folks in Africa...or Mexico.

There is no real acknowledgment of the hungry and homeless in our country...oh sure we do a Oprah special now and then...but hey that is TV entertainment...not part of our real lives.

You're right Wyody...we should take care of our own first. We are not doing a very good job of it. The programs are out of date and the old fashion way of helping your neighbors, is gone in most places.

Catfish...you seem to be stuck on this subject...but I got to say your post here does make one think. Not only about the low paying job that illegals get but all the services. I hadn't thought much about the services because I always believed that if you are illegal you keep a low profile. You don't ask the American government for anything that might bring attention to you...like food stamps or medical services. But you're saying they can legally do that?

Catch you later,

Izzy

[catfish]

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[isabel]

Catfish,

Got to tell you guy. It is becoming the story of "Crying Wolf". You should most likely let us get to know some others things about you. Because I'm starting to tune you out.

Izzy

[catfish]

Originally Posted by isabel

Catfish,

Got to tell you guy. It is becoming the story of "Crying Wolf". You should most likely let us get to know some others things about you. Because I'm starting to tune you out.

Izzy

What would you like to know??? Besides I like cat fishing Their is no crying wolf here. Not always but I try to back up my posts with a link when I can so you know the post is not BS. And the truth does hurt some people.

[Panterro]

One persons truth is another person lie. I may or may not be able to provide a link to every post you make that refutes your proof. But I bet someone on here can. To be honest I dont care enough to try. I am too busy living life to sit here and bitch about Hispanics, Mexicans, or Latinos.. I dont like the illegal problem any more than you do.. but what is all this bitching getting you?

[catfish]

all this bitching getting you?[/quote]

Nothing but it's something to do. And it's to early to go fishing

[catfish]

Illegal immigration is a communist plot?
>> Well, "not exactly".
>>
>> However, it's pretty clear that the main people willing to tolerate it are
>> generally leftist/socialist in their political leanings, though to be sure
>> there are a lot of so-called "libertarians" and "small government" people
>> who seem to support it.
>
> A lot of Republicans too. Interesting. Illegal immigration is
> supported by just about everybody but a fraction of the general public
> and mostly in the southwest. Seems to me that if it has anything to
> do with communists or socialism and it cuts across lines to be
> supported even by the most capitalist businessmen, that it can't be a
> communist thing. It's supported by too many diverse groups and for
> many, many reasons.
>
> To be fair about it, I'd say that rightists support it because it
> keeps wages low and labor intensive products and services much cheaper
> than they would be. Leftists support it more on moral grounds.
>
> They have different reasons, but it seems that largely, both left and
> right support masses of illegal immigrant workers here.

Hardly. Perhaps extremists and idiots actually support it. However poll
after poll shows that the majority of Americans oppose illegal aliens and in
particular they are becoming leery and unhappy with the changes that they
personally see as a result of the invasion.

The political center -- which is the majority of Americans -- and the
middle-class -- which is the majority of Americans -- is simply tired of
being overrun.




--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

[Wyoming53]

Originally Posted by catfish

all this bitching getting you?

Nothing but it's something to do. And it's to early to go fishing [/quote]

I am embarrased to even know that you said that. It's never too early to go fishing.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

Nothing but it's something to do. And it's to early to go fishing

I am embarrased to even know that you said that. It's never too early to go fishing. [/quote] U B right about dat

[Wyoming53]

We ain't got any catfish up here. But we got lots of trout. Limit sucks though. Only aloud 9 fish if your talking rainbow, browns and such. Brookies, your aloud 50. But you know brookies, takes a dozen to make a meal. haha

Ody can appreciate this one. Get into a float tube and hook onto a good steal head and let him tow you around the lake.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

We ain't got any catfish up here. But we got lots of trout. Limit sucks though. Only aloud 9 fish if your talking rainbow, browns and such. Brookies, your aloud 50. But you know brookies, takes a dozen to make a meal. haha

Ody can appreciate this one. Get into a float tube and hook onto a good steal head and let him tow you around the lake.

I've always had a problem with the Fish towing me. There's a lake over by Riverton (west) with big ol' Walleye - and they'll do the job if you can only motivate them ... lazy, lazy fish ... but when they start towin', the float won't stay level - always wants to sink the wrong direction - like a tree that won't respect your chain-saw so, it becomes so much work that it tires the fish ... and you know fish ... right down there on the backs of what used to be their hind-legs is that musk-sack and if they work too hard, they get all musky to the taste so, you have to be patient and let them tow at their own speed ... but it's hard 'cause of the float trying to sink over sideways from underneath! It's also a good testimonial to how the "Musky" got it's name.
I suppose it might be the elevation and how gravity slants there at the top of the world, in Wyoming. Just one look at "Pathfinder Resevoir" (near Casper) will explain what I'm talking about.
So, yep, Fitty-Three, I do know where you're coming from. Just don't let that Steelhead run too much towing weight and remember to dig those musk-sacks out and excise them immediately upon docking.

[catfish]

Hope these 12 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are
read by the majority of Americans. Then they will have something to yell
at their U.S.Congress members. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on
welfare to illegal aliens each year.

1. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

2. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

4. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

5. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

6. 30% of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnncom/TRANSCRIPTS/06 04/01/ldt.01.html

7. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare
&social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

8. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens;
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

9. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
United States
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

10. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many a s 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

11. The National Policy Institute "estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

12. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin.
http:/ /www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, Start
getting rid of em.' We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!