Hillary Clinton...do you believe she will be the first woman President?

[kimbercuddles]

Things have changed so much since the 80's. I remember when Geraldine Ferarro was running with Mondale as a vice presidential candidate and people were very skeptical, but I don't think that was the only reason. Now Hillary is running for the presidency and I can't help but wonder if she has a decent chance of winning. Is America ready for a woman President? I'm not so sure. The extreme left doesn't embrace her as much as I thought they might. People might be underestimating the amount of dedicated conservatives...I don't think they are a minority, yet. I also think it really depends on who Hillary will be running against. I have definite opinions, as always, but I'd like to hear all sides. What do you think?

[catfish]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Things have changed so much since the 80's. I remember when Geraldine Ferarro was running with Mondale as a vice presidential candidate and people were very skeptical, but I don't think that was the only reason. Now Hillary is running for the presidency and I can't help but wonder if she has a decent chance of winning. Is America ready for a woman President? I'm not so sure. The extreme left doesn't embrace her as much as I thought they might. People might be underestimating the amount of dedicated conservatives...I don't think they are a minority, yet. I also think it really depends on who Hillary will be running against. I have definite opinions, as always, but I'd like to hear all sides. What do you think?

I don't think it's a women we don't want, It's Hillary we don't want. We don't want Bill all over again

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by catfish

I don't think it's a women we don't want, It's Hillary we don't want. We don't want Bill all over again

If the right woman were to run, yes, it would be feasible. I personally believe that Hillary would be a mistake, but that's my opinion. She may get a lot of female votes, but I think there are many people who are not ready for a woman to run the country. I'm old-fashioned...I prefer our commander-in-chief to be male. Bill had some issues, but he at least attempted to work things out in a non-partisan way. Next year should be very interesting.

[isabel]

When listening to Hillary, the first thing that comes to mind is...her hubby messed around on her and she is still with him. Sorry...thinking like a woman. It is hard to have respect for a woman that stays with a man she knows can't be trusted. He was caught once...how many other times didn't he get caught?

Maybe their marriage is not centered around each other...but around politics. It is just hard to see her as a strong woman...after all that. I think woman will judge her harder on this fact then men will.

I think she will not get as many women votes because of it.

Izzy

[Wyody]

I would offer, Izzy; As a woman - of course you can relate in more direct ways to the HillBillery debacle -.. However, women from families who are "in the elite stratas" are raised with the whole "mistress" thing being considered "normal". Most of our elitist Presidents come from and married into families of such ilk. That whole "taking a lover" thing has different meaning.
Not sure about her as a President. I'd take Bill back in a second! Only man what seemed to have a grip on things in at least 70 years! With a ratty congress too!
But I'd feed him some kind of pill to fix that . umm . "other" problem of his.
I do notice that HillBillery seems to have garnered some amount of public trust, lately. Not sure what that's all about.

[Wyoming53]

I will do everything in my voting power to make sure she doesn't.

She's a perfect example of being able to morph into any shape her people want today. Tomorrow, she'll morph into something different.

If she would take a stand, and stick with it, she'd be pretty good presidential material.

But right now, she doesn't have a clue what she wants to be when she grows up. Wait, She does know what she wants to be. She just hasn't grown up enough to get there honestly.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by isabel

When listening to Hillary, the first thing that comes to mind is...her hubby messed around on her and she is still with him. Sorry...thinking like a woman. It is hard to have respect for a woman that stays with a man she knows can't be trusted. He was caught once...how many other times didn't he get caught?

Maybe their marriage is not centered around each other...but around politics. It is just hard to see her as a strong woman...after all that. I think woman will judge her harder on this fact then men will.

I think she will not get as many women votes because of it.

Izzy

Great points, Izzy. Most of the women I know feel the same way. In fact, most of the men I know would rather get a chest waxing than see Hillary as our President.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

I will do everything in my voting power to make sure she doesn't.

She's a perfect example of being able to morph into any shape her people want today. Tomorrow, she'll morph into something different.

If she would take a stand, and stick with it, she'd be pretty good presidential material.

But right now, she doesn't have a clue what she wants to be when she grows up. Wait, She does know what she wants to be. She just hasn't grown up enough to get there honestly.

Yep. Wishy-washy and trying to please everyone is what Hillary seems to be doing. These days it's difficult to please ANYONE as President! To be honest, she's a little too close to the menopause phase for me to even consider voting for her. (no offense to anyone, of course) Yikes!

[Wyoming53]

Wyody,

I have to agree somewhat with you on Bill. My problem was that she had entirely too much influence in his running the country. Remember when they tried to supeinia her for records and she said, "I'm exempt, I'm the presidents wife!" Yeah, he's exempt, your not.

But if he would drop kick her, I wouldn't mind him being in official capacity again. He does need to grow some hair first but I think that would come with drop kicking her out the back door.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

Wyody,

I have to agree somewhat with you on Bill. My problem was that she had entirely too much influence in his running the country. Remember when they tried to supeinia her for records and she said, "I'm exempt, I'm the presidents wife!" Yeah, he's exempt, your not.

But if he would drop kick her, I wouldn't mind him being in official capacity again. He does need to grow some hair first but I think that would come with drop kicking her out the back door.

I don't mind too much when the women seem to have a hand in the running. The first one I recall having that capacity was Nancy Reagan. Then our beloved Barbara Bush - crap - I hated George I but always liked Bar. Then there was Hillary - I'm not certain 53 but I think she may have been the "saner voice" that we all hear about from time to time. Thankfully, never had to hear from Tipper Gore. Don't get me wrong - I like Al - I still think he's the best man out there - just not for running this country as it is ... but can you imagine Tipper? "Al. Al. AL!!!! That dang Atlantic ocean is too cold - do something about it" . "I couldn't find Vegan in St. Paul. DO something about it!" "Al ..... Al .... ALVIN!!!!! My feet hurt. Get me one of those new experimental pills!" ... and on and on and on.
Where's Izzy or KC??? (time out) Hillary is way past Menopause. That's why she wasn't supposed to run in '08 ... too old!
A brief word about being "wishy-washy".
We need some flexibility. After all, everything they're doing in Washington these days is totally wrong. Why elect someone we can't change? Look at Bush! Almost every one of us would have already changed him in some way but we can't - he's not flexible (nor is he nuclear).
So, 53, Hillary doesn't scare me. Doesn't even really bother me. It's just ... with her ... it's just more of the same.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by Wyody

I don't mind too much when the women seem to have a hand in the running. The first one I recall having that capacity was Nancy Reagan. Then our beloved Barbara Bush - crap - I hated George I but always liked Bar. Then there was Hillary - I'm not certain 53 but I think she may have been the "saner voice" that we all hear about from time to time. Thankfully, never had to hear from Tipper Gore. Don't get me wrong - I like Al - I still think he's the best man out there - just not for running this country as it is ... but can you imagine Tipper? "Al. Al. AL!!!! That dang Atlantic ocean is too cold - do something about it" . "I couldn't find Vegan in St. Paul. DO something about it!" "Al ..... Al .... ALVIN!!!!! My feet hurt. Get me one of those new experimental pills!" ... and on and on and on.
Where's Izzy or KC??? (time out) Hillary is way past Menopause. That's why she wasn't supposed to run in '08 ... too old!
A brief word about being "wishy-washy".
We need some flexibility. After all, everything they're doing in Washington these days is totally wrong. Why elect someone we can't change? Look at Bush! Almost every one of us would have already changed him in some way but we can't - he's not flexible (nor is he nuclear).
So, 53, Hillary doesn't scare me. Doesn't even really bother me. It's just ... with her ... it's just more of the same.

Hey Odie...don't get me wrong, I don't mind being a little flexible and working with one another but at this point in time I think Hillary is trying so hard to get the middle of the road vote without irritating the far left too much. I believe that once she's in office (Lord, NO! ) she will sneak back to her true self...not totally a center girl, in my opinion. I will give her credit, though, for giving Petraeus a chance...a lot of the others really don't want the surge to work. I wish they would have done this right away instead of letting Rumsfeld keep forcing a strategy that continuously didn't work very well.

To be really honest, I would prefer Biden over Hillary or Obama...but obviously, he's not my first choice.

[Wyoming53]

Well Odie,

She does bother me. When Bill was the Pres, she continually made remarks on the second amendment. When those robbers held up a bank out in California and used Automatic weapons, not semi auto, but full auto. Hillary said that if we had laws then that sort of thing couldn't happen. She put together a think tank to figure out what they could do and just what kind of laws they could come up with to keep this from happening.

The fact of the matter is, Automatic weapons have been illegal since 1968. There are already laws against it.

Her think tank figured it out. Their next plan was to ban "Center Fire" ammunition because Automatic Weapons used that. Little did she know that 99% of the hunting rifles in the US also use Center Fire cartridges.

My hunting is too important for me to let a b**** like her get into power. She's another one that looks at New Yord, New Jersey, and Washington DC and says "The whole nation should have this law in effect."

And then you got the Bopsey Triplets. Feinstein, Boxer, and Pelosi teaming up like there were sorority sisters and only they had the key.

I'm not ready for HillBillary.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

Well Odie,

She does bother me. When Bill was the Pres, she continually made remarks on the second amendment. When those robbers held up a bank out in California and used Automatic weapons, not semi auto, but full auto. Hillary said that if we had laws then that sort of thing couldn't happen. She put together a think tank to figure out what they could do and just what kind of laws they could come up with to keep this from happening.

The fact of the matter is, Automatic weapons have been illegal since 1968. There are already laws against it.

Her think tank figured it out. Their next plan was to ban "Center Fire" ammunition because Automatic Weapons used that. Little did she know that 99% of the hunting rifles in the US also use Center Fire cartridges.

My hunting is too important for me to let a b**** like her get into power. She's another one that looks at New Yord, New Jersey, and Washington DC and says "The whole nation should have this law in effect."

And then you got the Bopsey Triplets. Feinstein, Boxer, and Pelosi teaming up like there were sorority sisters and only they had the key.

I'm not ready for HillBillary.

I think the only non Center Fire cartridge is a 22 rim fire and you can't go hunting with that..

[isabel]

Don't know weapons. But I as a woman...don't think Hillary should be our first woman President. Who would you pick as our first Women's President?

I liked Nancy Reagan too. She protected her husband from the vultures that would have taken him apart for his falling health. That lady had backbone and would have made a fine first Woman President. I can't think of anyone today that would fit the bill.

Maybe an actress like Barbara Stirstand (sp) or Whoopi...Hey Oprah. She has it all. Back bone, the bible belt, the connections, and the skill to keep tabs on all the goings on...in the white house. Okay my choice is Oprah...hands down.

Izzy

[Torrey]

Oprah? Uhhh... NO.

There are few women who are born leaders, with the correct head on their shoulders to not allow their emotions to get in the way of logical decision making. Margaret Thatcher was good for Great Britain, she was a tough broad who took no crap and could lead. She had the respect of the British SAS, and that says something. There are few women who are born like this. Hillary is an idiot. I predict she will get whacked out if she gets elected.

[Wyoming53]

Pelosi is a loose cannon. She's much the same as Hillary. Both of them have voiced their opinion on wanting to move toward the "New World Order" where the UN is in control of all military's so that country's don't have to worry about it. This way, the council can figure out what is best for the "Entire World". Course, if you've followed the UN, they firmly believe that in order to get off to a good start, they'll first disarm the general public so they can level the playing field.

Pelosi's home state has had over 4500 murders since Iraq started. We've lost 3000 in Iraq and she's lost 4500 in California. Not a real good track record.

[NHYRNUT]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Things have changed so much since the 80's. I remember when Geraldine Ferarro was running with Mondale as a vice presidential candidate and people were very skeptical, but I don't think that was the only reason. Now Hillary is running for the presidency and I can't help but wonder if she has a decent chance of winning. Is America ready for a woman President? I'm not so sure. The extreme left doesn't embrace her as much as I thought they might. People might be underestimating the amount of dedicated conservatives...I don't think they are a minority, yet. I also think it really depends on who Hillary will be running against. I have definite opinions, as always, but I'd like to hear all sides. What do you think?

Hillary has changed her stand to a more conservative base, this is why she isn't liked by the far left. as liberal as she seems she new early on that if she voted that way it would catch up to her. so she is a moderate Democrat for the time being. those of us that watch politics no what is going on with her but most people don't watch until the actual presidential race. Just like Guliani he is a moderate republican he has very liberal views on alot of things but he is a republican in spending and taxes. not in gun control and abortion. you have to see where and what they have done. notice Clinton didn't say it takes a village sense she announced her candidacy. lol if she stays a moderate there is a good chance of her winning. if she goes up against mitt, or Guliani. She can win but both of these guys can pull from the democratic base. as they tend to have liberal views with voting records to match. Fred Thompson is horrible at debates so that will do him in. if he runs against her. He wont even debate Mike Huckabee on his terms because he knows he can't debate. he put out an offer mike Huckabee accepted and Thompson said no. to me he sounds like alot of talk no show. but i will meet him today and see for myself. he is in Manchester today at a meet and greet.I am going down to check him out. But as far as Hillary making the bid I don't think she will. she might but I don't think she will get the nomination. one of them close but no cigar for her. lol On the positive not if i am wrong and she does the Constitution wont let bill be vice president. And he did make a good first lady when he was president. lol

for some reason I am thinking Bill Richardson is going to get it. or at the least be asked for Vice president. he is low in the polls but he has good standing with alot of people. I am thinking the poll numbers are off, not alot but more than thought. Look at the poll numbers and then look at how the straw polls are coming out for both parties. Straw polls tend to be more accurate. Like Huckabee he is low in the polls but alot of people are looking at him. after the first 4 states cast votes a true show of where people stand will emerge. I have seen people with 3% in the polls become front runners in less than a week when actual votes get cast. Iowa, SC, NV, and NH will narrow the field and anyone low in the polls now can rocket to the front, at that time people will say hey why did this guy or girl go to the front of the pack and start looking at them seriously. I see Mitt Romney dropping out after the first 6 elections. maybe before.

there might be a surprise entry into the Dem's as well. word is a Kennedy might run i doubt it but that is rumor in Mass. I think it is just rumor as he is retiring but it is possible. He would out pase Hillary if it is true. Liberals would flock to him like no other. And he is a nice guy. Hate his politics but he is a nice person. and he gets results. so hold onto your hats it will get interesting in just a few months.

[Wyoming53]

Did you know that Hillary was a registered Republican and was on the Republican committee in college?

[PDXnative]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

Did you know that Hillary was a registered Republican and was on the Republican committee in college?

Everyone makes mistakes!!!

[Panterro]

I may vote for her, just because I know with in two years she will be assassinated.

JOIN THE PURPLE PARTY.. Time us Independents take over you Repubs and Democraps have had your chance and still cant get it right.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Panterro

I may vote for her, just because I know with in two years she will be assassinated.

JOIN THE PURPLE PARTY.. Time us Independents take over you Repubs and Democraps have had your chance and still cant get it right.

For sure, It's time for a change,,

[Torrey]

When in doubt, whack em out!

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by isabel

Don't know weapons. But I as a woman...don't think Hillary should be our first woman President. Who would you pick as our first Women's President?

I liked Nancy Reagan too. She protected her husband from the vultures that would have taken him apart for his falling health. That lady had backbone and would have made a fine first Woman President. I can't think of anyone today that would fit the bill.

Maybe an actress like Barbara Stirstand (sp) or Whoopi...Hey Oprah. She has it all. Back bone, the bible belt, the connections, and the skill to keep tabs on all the goings on...in the white house. Okay my choice is Oprah...hands down.

Izzy

Barbra Streisand is still in the U.S.? Rats...she promised she would move to Canada if Bush were re-elected. She would be my very last choice, Izzy, not sure about Oprah, but I like her, as well as Whoopi. Margaret Thatcher was brilliant, in my opinion.

Hey Wirenut...great information...I'm really curious to see what happens, also. Keep us posted on your meets and greets, instincts and educational guesses...I'm always interested in hearing about what's going on behind the scenes.

[Wyoming53]

Hillary tops the cake.

Wow. I read this one and was just stupified.

Hillary Clinton has released here Health Care Plan that is going to ensure that all people have health care. Her plan that was announced yesterday says that what she's going to do, if elected, is make health insurance mandatory for all people. Think about that. Mandatory. She's going to require it, much the same as you are required to carry liability on your car. You will be forced to carry health insurance or risk prosecution. Oh goodie.

If I could afford health care, I would have it. But I can't. So I guess I'd better be prepared to go to jail.

[Wyody]

Read it again.
The idea is to bring the Health Insurers back into some kind of reality - you know the Heath Insurers don't you? They're the ones that have fought off any health-care reform for many decades; the ones responsible for so many increases at the hospital or doctor's office level.
In other words ... They are "the bad guys".
Any plan to make it possible for Americans to once again be able to simply go to the doctor for an annual check-up ... is a good thing.
I don't really care who changes it ... even HillBillary. Pretty much guaranteed that a Republican won't ... at least, in my own head.
Power To The People
Up the System
Make Love not War
You Can't Hug Your Children with Nuclear Arms
Reagan sucks.
Peace!!

[Wyoming53]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Read it again.
The idea is to bring the Health Insurers back into some kind of reality - you know the Heath Insurers don't you? They're the ones that have fought off any health-care reform for many decades; the ones responsible for so many increases at the hospital or doctor's office level.
In other words ... They are "the bad guys".
Any plan to make it possible for Americans to once again be able to simply go to the doctor for an annual check-up ... is a good thing.
I don't really care who changes it ... even HillBillary. Pretty much guaranteed that a Republican won't ... at least, in my own head.
Power To The People
Up the System
Make Love not War
You Can't Hug Your Children with Nuclear Arms
Reagan sucks.
Peace!!

Yeah, but can that happen by making it mandatory to purchase. Like Liability Insurance for you car? I can't afford health insurance. So make it a law and I still can't afford health insurance.

[Wyody]

This is why HillBillary, just like BillHillary, needs Al Gore.
A familiar tag-team I know you'd adore.
She needs Al to break things down to their itty-bitty, teeny-tiny, micro-nano, grain of dust Core and explain them ad infinitum to the American people.
That's what Al is good for.
53, all I got was my dose of CNN on the matter this morning ... and they covered the basics but did not present the "mandatory" part. If I were to presume anything, I'd presume that your question is taken care of in the details ... but why I'd want to stick my neck out and say that is beyond me.
I've got my eye on medicare!!