Illegals... Time for more drastic measures?

[Torrey]

I am just wondering how far people would go to demonstrate their dislike for things of this nature.

As well, do you think it will get to the point that US Citizen Vigilante groups will arm themselves and start removing illegals by force in the near future?

I am afraid this sort of thing may be the only way that problems of this nature will be able to be handled. I am not sure our government is going to truly step up to the plate and do as we demand.

[Panterro]

Cities, and some states are starting to take matters into their own hands, they can not wait for the F'in Government to get off its butt cheeks and do something about it.

Look at the small city outside Dallas thats deporting many illegals.. or Arizona, and California to some extent was doing stuff. Seems many Illegals are leaving Arizona for New Mexico, because its getting to hard to work and live there.

Maybe thats what will have to take place.. some places will welcome them and protect them and others will bash them over the head with the new laws and deport them back to their homeland, only to see them back in country 2-6 months later. I think if you are caught twice the second time we take a lag. The third time an arm, the forth time we just shoot you. its a concept I am working on.. it may work.. seems to in the middle east.

[catfish]

I am glad that they are mad and upset over the illegals being deported. I
hope that they get mad enough to move back to their own country. We don't
want illegals and I am very happy to see them having these hissy fits
because the law is finally being followed. The straw man argument about
racial profiling is BS and of course racial profiling should be used since
the majority of illegals in this country happen to be from south of the
border. But, the police should also be racial profiling anyone that is Asian
and Arab looking since they encompass many more illegals. Can't prove you
are here legally? Tough luck and adios and good riddance. Actually, the more
they protest the law being followed the more Americans finally see them for
what they are and how racist and bigoted they are.

About 2,000 gather to protest Irving police program | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

[catfish]

I use the term " Mexican " to describe the legal American who has descended
from Mexico , because it seems to be the excepted term used to describe all
people of the same race who are descendants of Mexicans. I do not know what
their real race is called. They refer to themselves as Mexicans .
So on that note , A person who is an American citizen is an American not a
Mexican. The American " Mexican " has just as much to lose as any other
American when it comes to illegal immigration. It is not hate for the person
, rather hate for what that person is doing to our economy and lives. Any
person who does not break the law and hire illegals is losing money because
their competition is hiring them and cutting prices on job bids.

[Panterro]

I think anyone no matter the race would be called AMERICAN regardless since they are a citizen of this country. If they are not then I guess your would refer to them by nationality.. Mexican, Irishman, Scotsman, and so forth and so on.

[PDXnative]

Originally Posted by Panterro

I think anyone no matter the race would be called AMERICAN regardless since they are a citizen of this country. If they are not then I guess your would refer to them by nationality.. Mexican, Irishman, Scotsman, and so forth and so on.

I agree. A "Mexican" refers to a Citizen of Mexico. I am German blood, but I do not say I am German, I am American.

[catfish]

The Crying Mexican

Last week, I went to a local shopping store around 10am. I pulled into a
parking space and as I sat there getting my list together, a nice new Dodge
Ram pulled in and parked opposite me. It wasn't surprising to see a couple
of Hispanic men staring back at me from the truck (there's plenty in my
town), but what was surprising is that they both drained a couple of beers
as they sat there....at 10am! I took the liberty to let my eyes pass into
their cab as I walked by and noted the brand of beer was from mexico, and
there were several.

All I could think was: that by 3pm when the local kids are walking home from
school, these two middle aged immigrants would still be drinking and
driving.
I stood behind their truck, taking the license plate and the two men
sauntered by, paying no attention to me and speaking loudly in spanish.
I waited about 20 minutes for the police and the immigrants were just
pulling out of the lot as I flagged the officer and pointed to the departing
truck.

30 seconds later, the truck was stopped and it's occupants were pleading
their case. 2 minutes later, another cruiser arrived and one of the
occupants was taken away. The other man (who was the driver), stood with his
blue baseball capped head hung down, hands in his pockets and a look like
the tears were close at hand. A few minutes later, a tow truck arrived and
as it secured its' load...I saw the immigrant wiping his eyes. Too bad, so
sad.

Better him, than the parents of innocent American school children.
What makes these people think our laws are optional?

[Wyody]

Fish, your story touches on a few problems "we, the people" have with immigrants like "Howcum I ain't got no big new truck" and "Howcum they can't drink American beer" -but- allow me to point out that this is not a "Mexican-specific" problem. Many of us survived our 20's with a giant mixed-drink between our legs while driving the truck - or the muscle car - or the datsun! Shoot - I still remember "Driver's-Ed" - and when they taught us where to sit our beer-can while driving! Not between your legs 'cause if it spills, you get distracted by the cold liquid. (There was no such thing as DUI or DWI then - if there was a drinking accident, it was written as "reckless driving"). Must also mention that there are still a couple states where the passenger can drink.

[Wyoming53]

I've got a funny one. I think I have an illegal working on my house. haha but I'm not sure. I've been trained on how to check SSI card and make sure it's real, drivers license and stuff like that. But I can't do that.

As a person that did the hiring at my last job, I could legally ask you for your SSI card and your Drivers License. Withing 60 seconds I could tell you if they were legally printed or if they were fake.

But in this case, it's a team of workers from the State. Well, wait a sec. They are a company that is contracted to the state. They don't work directly for the state.

The state had a program a couple years ago that you could apply for a winterization to be done on your home. The state had gotten a big tax refund on energy and the governor decided this was how to divide it up. I applied, and I got it. 2 years later. But hey, it's free so what the heck.

Anyhow, the team is here this week and their working on my house. One guy speaks no English. No problem, I speak his language. But, I think he's illegal, just no way to check.

Any suggestions?

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Fish, your story touches on a few problems "we, the people" have with immigrants like "Howcum I ain't got no big new truck" and "Howcum they can't drink American beer" -but- allow me to point out that this is not a "Mexican-specific" problem. Many of us survived our 20's with a giant mixed-drink between our legs while driving the truck - or the muscle car - or the datsun! Shoot - I still remember "Driver's-Ed" - and when they taught us where to sit our beer-can while driving! Not between your legs 'cause if it spills, you get distracted by the cold liquid. (There was no such thing as DUI or DWI then - if there was a drinking accident, it was written as "reckless driving"). Must also mention that there are still a couple states where the passenger can drink.

If the illegal was not in this country he would not be driving drunk and killing American people. Drunk driving is a big problem and we don't need to in port more of it from Mexico. And all the other crime illegals add to American,

[catfish]

Illegal who killed Dallas officer coming to trial - tries 'mentally
incompetent' strategy

Competency trial request pulled for suspect in officer's death

10:10 PM CDT on Tuesday, September 25, 2007
By JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning News


Defense attorneys for a man accused of killing a Dallas police officer
withdrew their request Tuesday for a trial to determine his competency after
a court-appointed psychologist said the defendant would understand the
proceedings.

Juan Lizcano's attorneys said last week that they thought he was so mentally
retarded that he did not understand the charges against him and could not
help in his own defense at his capital murder trial.

They wanted a jury to decide whether he was competent.

But defense attorneys changed their minds after a court-appointed forensic
psychologist told the judge by telephone Tuesday that he thinks Mr. Lizcano
is competent to stand trial in the slaying of Officer Brian Jackson.

"We're not certain he's incompetent," Brook Busbee, one of Mr. Lizcano's
attorneys, said in court.

Initially, state District Judge Andy Chatham denied the request for a
competency trial because of insufficient evidence.

But Monday afternoon, he changed his ruling after the defense provided
additional information from another expert who examined Mr. Lizcano. That
information remains under court seal.

The competency trial was scheduled to begin Tuesday.

Ms. Busbee has said Mr. Lizcano scored 48, 60 and 62 on IQ tests. All are
below the generally accepted threshold of 70 for mental retardation.

A defendant is presumed competent unless it is proved otherwise. Mental
retardation does not automatically make a defendant incompetent to stand
trial. Competent defendants must be able to assist their attorneys with
their defense and grasp the charges against them.

The report from the court-appointed psychologist's examination of Mr.
Lizcano has not been submitted to the court. Judge Chatham said the report
will be sealed until the attorneys ask to see it.

Mr. Lizcano's attorneys said they began to question Mr. Lizcano's competency
because he did not seem to understand when they asked him about eliminating
jurors during jury selection.

Mr. Lizcano is accused of killing Officer Jackson in November 2005 when the
officer responded to a domestic disturbance call from Mr. Lizcano's former
girlfriend.

She told police that he had repeatedly threatened her at her Old East Dallas
home.

Officer Jackson, 28, was shot as he and other officers searched for Mr.
Lizcano outside the woman's home. The fatal shot entered through Officer
Jackson's underarm, an area not protected by his bulletproof vest.

Mr. Lizcano, who came to the U.S. from Mexico illegally about five years
ago, was arrested on a misdemeanor terroristic threat charge five weeks
before the shooting. Authorities say he threatened his girlfriend with a
knife.

He was arrested days later on a charge of driving while intoxicated.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency has said it did not flag Mr.
Lizcano for deportation because the charges were not serious enough to come
to the attention of federal agents at the jail.

Mr. Lizcano's capital murder trial is scheduled to begin next week.

[Torrey]

Today my son got rear ended by a Mexican who tried to pull the "No speak english" ****. So my wife shows up who speaks perfect Castillian Spanish and told him off real good in Spanish telling him what a dirtbag he was by making all Mexicans look like idiots by pretending to not know how to speak English. He started speaking English right away. I was suprised, but he actually had a drivers license and insurance. I was sweating it the whole time I was driving myself down to where the accident was, because I figured it was some dirtbag who didn't have a license or insurance. I got lucky this time around.

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by catfish

If the illegal was not in this country he would not be driving drunk and killing American people. Drunk driving is a big problem and we don't need to in port more of it from Mexico. And all the other crime illegals add to American,

It is true that illegals doing bad things when they are here, well, illegally, have created a crime that would not have happened otherwise in our country. Hearing about these cases make me mad, but my anger is more at the system we have in America that seems bent on protecting illegal activity everywhere. My problem is that I read a lot of stories about what the illegals do, and it is no different than what other Americans do. It's hard to argue the point that we need to get rid of illegals because of these issues. We need to get rid of illegals for their original violation... they are here illegally. That is the focus I see that should be keep, otherwise it gets diluted quickly, as we see from where this thread has gone.

Line up the busses.
Build the fence.

Just do it.

[Panterro]

Hey Duff.. what good does a fence do.. they will just climb over it, dig under it. Lets be real here. You want to stop them from crossing you either have to get extreme and land mine the whole boarder, shoot the survivors, or you have to up the man power and patrols to defend that fence... This wont happen because it will cost to much. 70 miles of fence is not gonna do anything, we need a wall.. a great wall a big f'in wall and other things to make a difference.

The El Paso Boarder Patrol has trucks every 1 mile along our boarder. They have helicopters, a huge fence, and roaming patrols and these illegals still get past.. so tell me how a fence in the middle of no where with no patrols is gonna stop these people from crossing?

Lets get real here.. thats all I am saying.

P.S. There are a few stories on the EPTIMES web site some place that show mile long tunnels from Juarez to El Paso, suspected to smuggle drugs and people who could pay into the country. I'll see if I can find them for you to see.

[catfish]

Here is a bunch of sites for the patriots to check out.

WARNING: If you love illegals, don't go to any of these sites. It may make your blood pressure rise!

The tip line for ICE / Dept. of Homeland Security to report illegal aliens is 1-866-DHS-2ICE. Go to these web sites, join up and send as many faxes or emails as you can. Pass it along to everyone you know.

Don't wait, do it NOW!

NumbersUSA
Immigration & Overpopulation Issues - Californians for Population Stabilization CAPS
FAIR: : Welcome to FAIR!
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com
Anti-Illegal Immigration Events - Month events
LAIR » Page 1 of 1
You Don't Speak for Me
Choose Black America
Choose Black America
The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
American Patrol Report © -- Citizenship - Sovereignty - Law
American*Border Patrol
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
http://www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org/
Team America PAC Dedicated to Defending Our Borders and Protecting American Jobs - Team America
[url][http://www.teamamericapac.org//url]
http://www.wehategringos.com/
http://www.wehategringos.com/
http://www.wehirealiens.com/
http://www.reportillegals.com/
http://www.illegalemployers.org/
http://www.vdare.com/
http://www.protectourborder.net/
http://www.send-a-brick.com/
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/featuredraces.html
http://www.noinvaders.org/home.shtml
http://unitetofight.org/
[url][http://www.forthecause.us//url]
http://www.illegalaliens.us/
http://usaborderalert.com/
http://firecoalition.com/
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
http://www.illegalimmigrationjournal.com/index.cfm
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
http://www.alipac.us/
http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com/
http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/
http://www.unitedstates.fm/
http://www.minuteman.tv/
http://www.frostywooldridge.com/
http://www.englishfirst.org/
http://www.proenglish.org/
http://www.usenglish.org/
http://www.oregonir.org/
http://www.ifire.org/
http://mfire.org/

Crime Victims of Illegal Aliens http://www.youtube.com/watchv=SpomTIkv0V8
See the latest numbers here: [url][http://immigrationcounters.com//url]
Debunking immigration myths: http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/mexico.html

Email your Senator:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

and Congress:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

and The White House:
comments@whitehouse.gov

White House phone # 202-456-1111 Comments: 202-456-6213
FAX: 202-456-2461
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Watch this video about the diseases illegal aliens bring into the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ahEhcVW7oQ

Watch this video about the "reconquista" movement.
[url][http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=811/url]

Video of Anti Illegal Alien protest at illegal migrant encampment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCPQKwDRQyU

Jim Gilchrist at same protest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wJMuPbWqHg

Watch as a man exercises his right to counter protest a pro-illegal alien march and gets pulled from his car and thrown to the ground by
police.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/110507abovethelaw.htm

MEXICA MOVEMENT
http://www.mexica-movement.org/audiovideo.htm
http://www.mexica-movement.org/

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Hey Duff.. what good does a fence do.. they will just climb over it.

Did I mention the electricity?

I think that we will never stop the flow, but a high tech fence that included sensors and such things as preditor drones that would listen for digging and see movement would be a way to hinder a lot of free movement.

The reality is that we need to "starve" them back to their country. Make it impossible or at least not easy to make a living here.

[Wyody]

Personally, FishMan, it's always been a mutually beneficial struggle between two powers - the extreme right and the extreme left. Somewhere around the middle of the two, new things get learned, new ideas get formed, progress gets made.
Those who present and then, don't learn - they're no help.
I hope you get done with whatever the heck you're thinking soon - and stop holding back the human race ... of which I suspect you are a part.
Dang, something I've always hoped for - to just go one more little notch toward insanity so I no longer care and can smile more - and some fool down in Arkansas beat me to it ... AGAIN!.
Well, Fishy, Peace to ya anyway. It's your right to feel as you feel so long as you just stay in your barn and leave the world alone.

[PDXnative]

YouTube - mexican bailout

YouTube - mexican bailout

[Panterro]

PDX thats disturbing, yet funny. Good job man.

Benny Hill music, and what 20 or so in that van.. thats funny. It fit so well.. they made our boarder patrol look like idiots.. thats sad.

Hey Duff.. the electricity idea is a good one for out in the open places, and the sensors they tried them here with limited success. But I agree we need something. I would rather see a Large wall.. just something about a wall that appeals to me.. even if its a wall like they have in the New Orleans that hold the water back.. A berm with the innerlocking metal plates that stick up. Then have lights that light up our side not theres, so they can not benefit from the light but once they pop over it, if they could then they would be exposed.

Another idea is Huts out in the desert.. with food and water in them. Once they enter doors slide shut and send a single to INS for pick up.

[PDXnative]

I feel bad for the officer. But, it would be likle trying to hold a handful of ants. I found it amazing at how many there were in that van. It looked like a clown car.

[Panterro]

Yeah me too.. and he had back up too.. it did look like a clown car.. haha

[Wyody]

Thanks for lightening the thread up, PD.
I believe we have used seismic sensors (geophones) for years along the border - but don't know that for sure. Problem there is, one heavy rabbit would look just like one light alien on the camera altho you could use filters to eventually eliminate the wabbit-tracks (hah-ah-ah-ah-ah).
Seems to me that it would be possible to take the "electronics" idea a step or two farther .... put a satellite up that keeps the border inundated with laser rays.
Does anybody remember the days when folks from everywhere talked about moving to Mexico? Especially in SoCal? Now, I'm not so sure I could take the heat any more - extremes bother me since the sun-poisoning (thanks, Arizona) and the frostbite ... but why not? Everybody ... including Catfish & family ... we all just take off walking 'til we find someplace we like, call in a couple chopper-loads of lumber and shingles - and we're off to the bullfights!
We can just boot them all up here ... maybe give them Kansas - but still run things from "America back East".

[PDXnative]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Thanks for lightening the thread up, PD.
I believe we have used seismic sensors (geophones) for years along the border - but don't know that for sure. Problem there is, one heavy rabbit would look just like one light alien on the camera altho you could use filters to eventually eliminate the wabbit-tracks (hah-ah-ah-ah-ah).
Seems to me that it would be possible to take the "electronics" idea a step or two farther .... put a satellite up that keeps the border inundated with laser rays.
Does anybody remember the days when folks from everywhere talked about moving to Mexico? Especially in SoCal? Now, I'm not so sure I could take the heat any more - extremes bother me since the sun-poisoning (thanks, Arizona) and the frostbite ... but why not? Everybody ... including Catfish & family ... we all just take off walking 'til we find someplace we like, call in a couple chopper-loads of lumber and shingles - and we're off to the bullfights!
We can just boot them all up here ... maybe give them Kansas - but still run things from "America back East".

Landmines!!! Or better yet, robotic killing machines like in Terminator or Robocop.

[Panterro]

be informed, people.. the second and third parts are the best.. shows what good a fence will do.

YouTube - P&T on immigration 1

YouTube - P&T on immigration 1

YouTube - P&T immigration 2

YouTube - P&T immigration 2

YouTube - P&T immigration 3

YouTube - P&T immigration 3