This would be considered an act of war

[catfish]

This would be considered an act of war by American leaders unless they were
cowards and traitors who had sold out to Mexican drug cartels and La Raza.
Mexican pot smugglers fire on helicopter near border
<http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/209344>
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 11.01.2007
YUMA - Smugglers who abandoned two truckloads of
marijuana along the Colorado River after crossing into the United
States fired shots at a helicopter carrying federal agents but
missed, authorities said.
Authorities monitoring remote surveillance video cameras along the
river spotted six vehicles crossing the river from Mexico into
Arizona late Monday night.
The smugglers drove back toward Mexico when Border Patrol agents
approached. But two of the smugglers' vehicles bogged down in the
sand, and those who were in the disabled trucks escaped on foot.
As a U.S. Customs and Border Protection helicopter carrying Border
Patrol and CBP agents flew nearby to help agents on the ground, a
number of shots were fired at the aircraft, apparently from across
the river, agents said.
The Border Patrol said neither agents nor the chopper were hit and
that the pilot moved the aircraft to safety.
Agents seized 175 bundles of marijuana that weighed almost 2,300
pounds from the two vehicles that were left behind. The pot has an
estimated street value of more than $1.8 million, the Border Patrol
said. Both vehicles had been reported stolen.
STAY INFORMED GO TO <http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org>
SHERIFFS JOE'S ILLEGAL'S HOTLINE NUMBER (602)876- 4154
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional
maturity." - Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis
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WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ...

The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
the masters of their own fate.

-- Alexander Hamilton

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
arms.

-- Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government.

-- Thomas Jefferson

As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also.

-- Thomas Jefferson

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.

-- Thomas Jefferson

The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object.

-- Thomas Jefferson

We in America do not have government by the majority.
We have government by the majority who participate.

-- Thomas Jefferson

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories.

-- Thomas Jefferson

In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains.

-- Thomas Jefferson

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country.

-- Thomas Jefferson

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
to our liberties than standing armies.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

-- Thomas Jefferson

"If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then
by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all
property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power
should be taken from the banks and restored to the
people, to whom it properly belongs."

-- Thomas Jefferson

If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen.

-- Samuel Adams

PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

www.predatoryaliens.com
www.immigrationshumancost.org
www.daylaborers.org
www.alipac.us

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.immigrationcounters.com

www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.escapingjustice.com

Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.deputydavidmarch.com
www.kriseggle.org

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged
in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security
numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses
represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of
illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their
illegal status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and
possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of
today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of
the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are
committed by illegal aliens."

-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House
Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note: 99% of
warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]

[Wyody]

Well Catfish. I finally agree with you on one. It is an act of war ... but by whom?
Should we follow the example of G.W.? Bomb Peru? Should we apply "shock and awe" and bomb all of Mexico? (Could bomb most of the country for days and only displace a farmer or two).
Or, should we finally legalize the long-time widespread use of marijuana and foil the smugglers' market?
Should we abandon our separatism and become Canadian? (True, would raise our nat'l IQ a bit).

While I understand that you have taken it upon yourself as a "mission" to alert and educate those you can on a consistent basis, is it time to entertain notions of "Real" solutions or should we merely continue to bark and whine?
p.s.(You got a Thomas Jefferson "thing" going on?)

[Panterro]

Naw we plant some nukes under the ground like if were testing them all along our border with Mexico.. we blow them so we have a great canyon dug all the way from the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of California, it will fill with water and we make a new great lake.

This will also take care of any flooding done by global warming.. by giving the extra water a place to go. I would love to see the RIO GRANDE LAKE!

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Well Catfish. I finally agree with you on one. It is an act of war ... but by whom?
Should we follow the example of G.W.? Bomb Peru? Should we apply "shock and awe" and bomb all of Mexico? (Could bomb most of the country for days and only displace a farmer or two).
Or, should we finally legalize the long-time widespread use of marijuana and foil the smugglers' market?
Should we abandon our separatism and become Canadian? (True, would raise our nat'l IQ a bit).

While I understand that you have taken it upon yourself as a "mission" to alert and educate those you can on a consistent basis, is it time to entertain notions of "Real" solutions or should we merely continue to bark and whine?
p.s.(You got a Thomas Jefferson "thing" going on?)

Hard to know the right way to go..

[Wyody]

Pan, what would happen to El Paso should we create such a lake?

Fishman, thanks for your candor.

This might be a good time to mention that I have blown up more square feet than most people alive - have a real, personal "Yee-Haw" thing going on (have done it all legally)(maybe) ... and would consider doing the same for my country. Got a problem with taking lives though.
However, Pan, your fantasy brings up a serious thought - that, while we're building a fence ... we should build two - creating a no-man's land or, DMZ ... in which case, the explosives idea could be seriously considered.
I would rather overcome borders of all sorts ... but I do realize that it is too idealistic a thought.

[Panterro]

Well Part of it would be lost.. for the greater good of course. But the part that survives would become an Oasis in the desert bigger and better over a 10 year time period.

I too would love it if we could overcome all borders and just buy Mexico and have it part of the United States.. that would solve all the problems right there. But your right to idealistic.

There has been talk of a DMZ in America, along the Mexico, America border.. but I think things will have to get a bit more nasty between us and Mexico before that will ever take place.

In Other News Oklahoma passed its 1808 bill..

[catfish]

It's funny how the majority of this website has views against illegal immigration supported with many documented facts, yet we are all "narrow minded". I believe you are trying to simplify a complicated issue, or make it a race issue, and you ignore the facts presented to you. The motto of "They're good people who work hard and just want to better their lives" doesn't cut it with me. Whether some of them are good people and hard workers is irrelevant, perhaps they should have worked harder to earn their citizenship instead of taking it upon themselves to take it. Here is a list of problems that might help explain why the anti-illegal position is the majority on this board and in the country, and why so many Americans are angry.

1. They skip the immigration process in which all other LEGAL immigrants must go through before moving to this country, and that is an insult to those obeying our laws.

2. They cost the taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars per year in social services (i.e. medical care, food stamps, etc.)

3. Without being screened any dangerous criminal can enter our country and commit these crimes onto American citizens, with no means to track such criminals with a lack of tracable information such as fingerprints, DNA, photos or even their NAME.

4. Without being screened those with infectous disease, some of which like certain strands of TB are deadly, are allowed in to infect our citizens.

5. The takeover of many middle class American jobs. The argument that all jobs they take are ones Americans don't want is obsurd.

6. The increased population has driven up home prices. While not all from illegals, supply and demand dictates they are partly responsible.

7. Billions of US dollars are taken out of the US economy and put into the Mexican economy from wages sent home to Mexico.

8. The increase of unlicensed and uninsured drivers.

9. The close of several hospitals due to having to care for uninsured illegals.

10. Uncontrolled growth will have disasterous effects on our economy.

These are just some, not all, of the FACTS of what illegal immigration is doing to our country. The suggestion that all problems listed above should be tolerated so that illegals may harvest fruits and vegetables, or because "They are nice people" holds no water to me. And because of the above listed FACTS, that is where the EMOTION comes into play. "We the People" are angry. Angry that the government has allowed this to go on for so long. We are letting our voices be heard at all levels. The line is being drawn. We have had enough.

[Wyoming53]

I think we should blow up Colorado. It's filled with nothing but yuppies and we wouldn't miss them. hahaha

Wyody, what did you use? I've only played with C4 in a roll. Also played with some sticks. The C4 I could roll up like a the size of a pencil and it would take off a table leg. Never did have enough to make a really big dent in earth.

[Wyody]

I've used many agents, Fi'ty. Wouldn't believe how many civilians have C4 in their garage!!
I've done a lot of contract-testing for manufacturers as well - like Atlas Powder and Hercules.
I personally like the stuff you can carry around legally and mix at the site - but it's not so "directional" as is sometimes necessary.
Not a chemist, Cowboy. I'm a man who likes to sit 12ft away from 165lbs!! Freaking BOOM!! I love staring back at people who are staring at me while I'm pushing the button - they were usually absolutely freaked-out. Heck, it was the safest place to be - any debris went straight thru me and my heart only stopped for a few seconds at a time ... no biggie ... no biggie ... no biggie ... no b..........................

[PDXnative]

[Wyoming53]

Originally Posted by Wyody

I've used many agents, Fi'ty. Wouldn't believe how many civilians have C4 in their garage!!
I've done a lot of contract-testing for manufacturers as well - like Atlas Powder and Hercules.
I personally like the stuff you can carry around legally and mix at the site - but it's not so "directional" as is sometimes necessary.
Not a chemist, Cowboy. I'm a man who likes to sit 12ft away from 165lbs!! Freaking BOOM!! I love staring back at people who are staring at me while I'm pushing the button - they were usually absolutely freaked-out. Heck, it was the safest place to be - any debris went straight thru me and my heart only stopped for a few seconds at a time ... no biggie ... no biggie ... no biggie ... no b..........................

We used to blast Ice on the pond so the cattle could drink. One time I taped up 3 sticks. Lit it and threw it as far as I could. Wind blew it back on the ice. Only thing protecting me was the face of the dam and that didn't last long. Drained the pond. Had to spend many hours that summer rebuilding it. Dad wouldn't let me use the cat. A shovel and a lot of sweat.

This thread is about blowing things up isn't it? hahaha How long does it take to fly to Egypt? I don't like airplanes.

[Curious George]

Acetylene an a garbage bag will do wonders to

[PDXnative]

Originally Posted by Curious George

Acetylene an a garbage bag will do wonders to

Oxy-acetylene in a condom is pretty damn cool!!!!!

[Curious George]

Originally Posted by PDXnative

Oxy-acetylene in a condom is pretty damn cool!!!!!

one question is that wile your using it?


That’s like a lady finger compared to a M80 , a garage bag full at 2 houses away you can count to 3 an feel the shock wave , never got around to making three of them cuss after the second one dad told me I would be moving out if he heard any more, that an we started seeing a bunch of cops driving around , it’s fourth of July whated they expect.

On a side note if you do try one , find some kid that does drugs to light it.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

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This thread is about blowing things up isn't it? hahaha How long does it take to fly to Egypt? I don't like airplanes.

53, it depends where you're flying from.
If you start heading for Oman, holler. Have friends there.

[PDXnative]

Originally Posted by Curious George

one question is that wile your using it?


That’s like a lady finger compared to a M80 , a garage bag full at 2 houses away you can count to 3 an feel the shock wave , never got around to making three of them cuss after the second one dad told me I would be moving out if he heard any more, that an we started seeing a bunch of cops driving around , it’s fourth of July whated they expect.

On a side note if you do try one , find some kid that does drugs to light it.

A condom will make a 3+ foot wide (long?) balloon. Now, imagine that filled with pressurized oxy-acetylene. Big ass shock wave!!! Try it

[Curious George]

Originally Posted by PDXnative

A condom will make a 3+ foot wide (long?) balloon. Now, imagine that filled with pressurized oxy-acetylene. Big ass shock wave!!! Try it

Don’t know how bid the garbage bags are out wear you are , but around hear, there a little bigger then those metal trash cans about 3x4 , makes one heck of a bang. So you could say been there done that. Works for spud /apple guns to , but you might not want to use plastic pipe.

[PDXnative]

Garbage bag video:

YouTube - Oxy-Acetylene Bomb

YouTube - Oxy-Acetylene Bomb

[PDXnative]

Propane tank explosion (really stupid):

YouTube - 20lb propane and acetylene

YouTube - 20lb propane and acetylene

[Curious George]

That’s about the size of the balloons I used , then tie a firecracker in the end, light an throw in the air, looks real cool at night as you get a fireball.


Used one of the burn out neighbor kids to light the garbage bag ones, first one was ok but the second one he was a little gun shy an stuck the Bick lighter right in the bag, needless to say his hearing wasn’t the best for a wile !

[PDXnative]

Dry ice bomb

YouTube - Dry Ice Bomb - Huge Explosion!

YouTube - Dry Ice Bomb - Huge Explosion!

[Curious George]

Originally Posted by PDXnative

Dry ice bomb

YouTube - Dry Ice Bomb - Huge Explosion!

it was so big it blacked out.

[Wyody]

*ALERT*

This might seem silly - but I'm wondering if we shouldn't move this thread elsewhere so it can only be viewed by members?

[PDXnative]

Originally Posted by Wyody

*ALERT*

This might seem silly - but I'm wondering if we shouldn't move this thread elsewhere so it can only be viewed by members?

Que? What are you talking 'bout, Willis?

[catfish]

New Years Eve Is coming up soon, What kind of big bang are we going to make. Sounds like to much fun, And don't forget the home made beer...

BANG BOOM

[Wyoming53]

The Government said I'm not allowed to play with things that go bang. Something about that Hummer I flipped over. All I wanted to do was blow the tire off. Used too much. But it was funny. My Commander didn't think so. He made me go back to being a ping jockey.

Wyody, you ain't got to believe this trip. Sheridan to Denver (only place planes fly to from here) Then to LA. Then to New York and to London and then to Alexadria. What a trip.

[Wyoming53]

This thread should have been called "Whatever I want to spew forth". Sorry Catfish, it just got out of control. haha