State of the union.

[thecuban]

Ok! How do you feel about the Address?

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by thecuban

Ok! How do you feel about the Address?

It was ok.......except for the guest worker crap again. Not sure about that hokey medical insurance either. I need to see what that's all about. It sounds like it will cost me more money in taxes.

[RAINBOWWAVES]

It only reinforced that Bush is a complete lunatic!!!!!!!! sending almost 100,000 kids to a useless war and to a possible grave....over a 5 yr period? so this war is going to go on indefinately? sound familiar? It will cost a fortune and who's going to pay it? why why why would a pres in his right mind be waging war with those ppl? I have yet to hear one feasible explanation as to what we as a nation will possibly gain from this nonsensical war!!!! And to add some topping to the mix, Bush is actually going to send money to help AFRICANS with thier AIDS problem...so HE'S RAISING OUR TAXES!!! Does anyone understand what is going to happen to our poor and middle class? We are in very big big trouble...and Bush bastard needs to be ousted!!!!!!!!!

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

It only reinforced that Bush is a complete lunatic!!!!!!!! sending almost 100,000 kids to a useless war and to a possible grave....over a 5 yr period? so this war is going to go on indefinately? sound familiar? It will cost a fortune and who's going to pay it? why why why would a pres in his right mind be waging war with those ppl? I have yet to hear one feasible explanation as to what we as a nation will possibly gain from this nonsensical war!!!! And to add some topping to the mix, Bush is actually going to send money to help AFRICANS with thier AIDS problem...so HE'S RAISING OUR TAXES!!! Does anyone understand what is going to happen to our poor and middle class? We are in very big big trouble...and Bush bastard needs to be ousted!!!!!!!!!

What do you sugest we do? Is it possible for a epidemic from another country end up here? Why is it that the majority of the milatary vote Rebublican? Then Finally who do you consider poor in america?

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by thecuban

What do you sugest we do? Is it possible for a epidemic from another country end up here? Why is it that the majority of the milatary vote Rebublican? Then Finally who do you consider poor in america?

There is only one thing to do before it is too late and that is to stop the madness and retreat..some assholes are saying it would be surrendering...to whom would we be surrendering? We need to retreat and leave them to clean up thier own business...rebuilding is the kind thing to do for them which will cost ALOT but to send more troops would be even costlier and deadlier...it is bizzare to say the very least. I don't know what the mentality of these kids that actually want to go to iraq is...they are NOT defending the USA...and they are NOT protecting the USA..they are going solely to kill the "bad guys" from killing ppl that hate our guts anyway, that are asking us to PLEASE leave already!!!!! And what do you mean who are the poor? Last time i looked, WELFARE was still going full force, and tons of homeless ppl in the streets...It's NOT who "i" consider poor, it's what EVERYONE considers poor...or are you blind? Then there's the working poor, ppl who work but can't afford food, or rent, so there's food stamps and rent subsidy....then there's the middle class, who are struggleing big time to pay taxes that go to things like welfare and other programs for the poor...Need i go on? I don't know what you mean by Is it possible for a epidemic from another country end up here?

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

There is only one thing to do before it is too late and that is to stop the madness and retreat..some assholes are saying it would be surrendering...to whom would we be surrendering? We need to retreat and leave them to clean up thier own business...rebuilding is the kind thing to do for them which will cost ALOT but to send more troops would be even costlier and deadlier...it is bizzare to say the very least. I don't know what the mentality of these kids that actually want to go to iraq is...they are NOT defending the USA...and they are NOT protecting the USA..they are going solely to kill the "bad guys" from killing ppl that hate our guts anyway, that are asking us to PLEASE leave already!!!!! And what do you mean who are the poor? Last time i looked, WELFARE was still going full force, and tons of homeless ppl in the streets...It's NOT who "i" consider poor, it's what EVERYONE considers poor...or are you blind? Then there's the working poor, ppl who work but can't afford food, or rent, so there's food stamps and rent subsidy....then there's the middle class, who are struggleing big time to pay taxes that go to things like welfare and other programs for the poor...Need i go on? I don't know what you mean by Is it possible for a epidemic from another country end up here?

The reason I always ask the poor question is I tried to compare the poor here to the life my family members live in Cuba. I basically can't because they eat and live better than they do. Why do you think that these Mexicans are dying to come here? Because our poor is there rich!!! We are spoiled here in America, we have no idea what being hungry means.

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by thecuban

The reason I always ask the poor question is I tried to compare the poor here to the life my family members live in Cuba. I basically can't because they eat and live better than they do. Why do you think that these Mexicans are dying to come here? Because our poor is there rich!!! We are spoiled here in America, we have no idea what being hungry means.

The things we have here are FOOD PANTRIES and FOOD STAMPS...and WHO DO YOU THINK ARE PAYING FOR THEM? We have MEDICAID...I believe that charity begins at home and Bush wants us to pay for the problems of others...

[ProEye]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

The things we have here are FOOD PANTRIES and FOOD STAMPS...and WHO DO YOU THINK ARE PAYING FOR THEM? We have MEDICAID...I believe that charity begins at home and Bush wants us to pay for the problems of others...

Exactly. He is spending us into oblivion.

I think my huge Bush rant in another thread should be transferred over here. Maybe the Admin will do it I don't know. Sorry, didn't notice the State of the Union thread...

Like I said in my other post... While I consider myself a "good" conservative, I think George Bush is far from one. Seems like he belongs in the George Bush party since he doesn't seem to be a conservative or a liberal. Seems like both.

Bush is not responsible for the government programs that have been in place for decades, but he is not helping any. Unfortunately, whoever is in office takes the brunt of the griping because you are the man in charge.

The Medicaid program is a joke. While everyone knows that a great number of people should not be eligible, I know firsthand since I see patients from this program. You would not believe how many Medicaid people want contact lenses! "You owe $300 for your fitting and year's supply" "Okay, I'll pay for it in cash and put the exam on my 'insurance'." Hummmmmmmm...

I have a doctor friend in NC who said that one of his patients is a famous boxer. I won't mention the name so I don't get him or the boxer in trouble, but believe me, if you've followed any sports in the last 10 years, you know this name. So my friend does the exam on the guy and he "pays" for his exam with Medicaid!!!! Just to confirm that this was the guy, my friend looked out the window and sure enough there was a $80,000 car sitting out there (maybe it was worth more than this I don't know). Medicaid huh? How did this happen? Apparently, there are a lot of boxers who don't report their income to the feds.

We have different forms of Medicaid in CT and we've had to limit ourselves to one certain kind because it has gotten sickening. While I believe in charity, I only believe in TRUE charity--giving to those people who really need it. Many of these people are disruptive, i.e. wanting everything for free. They stink up our waiting area--Come on: who doesn't have a shower? I find it insulting. If you want charity than clean yourself up! I have plenty of low income patients who pay out of their pockets and they don't stink. They drive around in decent cars, smoke, and buy stuff that they have no business buying. This is not true of every person on the program but there is rampant abuse. I respect anyone who works like hell to get ahead but still doesn't have much money. I respect anyone who can't work because of injury or disability. But I have little respect for able bodied people who put their hands out--especially those who already have already gotten ahead!!!

Not sure what this has to do with The State of the Union , but maybe we could call it The State of this Country.

Cuban is right, we don't have poor people. That's a fallacy. There is no reason to be poor when you can live on a government program. Heck you could simply supplement your income by getting your healthcare, childcare, and food directly from the government AND not pay any taxes to boot. What a country!

[ProEye]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

IAnd to add some topping to the mix, Bush is actually going to send money to help AFRICANS with thier AIDS problem...so HE'S RAISING OUR TAXES!!! Does anyone understand what is going to happen to our poor and middle class? We are in very big big trouble...and Bush bastard needs to be ousted!!!!!!!!!

Any time the government says they are going to give a handout, generally, within 5-10 years it means we end up spending 10-100 times as much. I think giving money directly for AIDs in Africa is a mistake. We apparently are expanding our borders even more.

We can't help everyone all of the time. It just doesn't work. At some point you have to draw a line and say, "Sorry, but you have to help yourselves."

Granted I didn't see or listen to the State of the Union this year and I'm only going on what Rainbow said. But I do know this: Any time the government says, "Let's do this..." That's a recipe for disaster.

It's unfortunate that there are horrors going on worldwide, but if anyone has ever learned from history, STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S AFFAIRS.

Of course this doesn't mean that private charity organizations can't do the work. That's different. They don't have an ulterior motive, they aren't sending a message that there's free handouts to be had in America, they aren't forcing me to spend MY money, and they aren't the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!

[RodFarlee]

Originally Posted by ProEye

... While I consider myself a "good" conservative, I think George Bush is far from one.

Amen, bro'.

I couldn't stand to listen to it either. He drives me up a tree. It's as if he's going out of his way to prove "I never went to Yale! Or if I did, I never learnt enithang!"

Fed chairman Ben Bernanke gave his own "state of the union" address to the Senate Finance committee last week. He all but said "Bush blew it". I'll post some exerpts separately.

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by ProEye

Any time the government says they are going to give a handout, generally, within 5-10 years it means we end up spending 10-100 times as much. I think giving money directly for AIDs in Africa is a mistake. We apparently are expanding our borders even more.

We can't help everyone all of the time. It just doesn't work. At some point you have to draw a line and say, "Sorry, but you have to help yourselves."

Granted I didn't see or listen to the State of the Union this year and I'm only going on what Rainbow said. But I do know this: Any time the government says, "Let's do this..." That's a recipe for disaster.

It's unfortunate that there are horrors going on worldwide, but if anyone has ever learned from history, STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S AFFAIRS.

Of course this doesn't mean that private charity organizations can't do the work. That's different. They don't have an ulterior motive, they aren't sending a message that there's free handouts to be had in America, they aren't forcing me to spend MY money, and they aren't the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!

Here here! I am not going to help my neighbor fix his roof BEFORE i fix my own! Yes we have freedoms that some countries do not have but this country is going downhill and quickly...no one in this country should be super struggleing...there are sooooooooo many ppl beating the system and the good citizens of this country..and Bush is visibly for the rich...and is visibly trying to save the oil in the middle east and will take control any damned way he can and i am just stupified to grasp how anyone cannot see this...Bush needs to GIVE UP...NOW!!!! The country needs to get back on track, we need to fix healthcare and the schools...and get those kids back home from the war...we need RUDY...NOW!!!! If you are not scared right now, you need to be!!!

[RodFarlee]

Federal Reserve Board chairman Ben Bernanke testified before the Senate Finance Committee last week. Some exerpts:

"we are experiencing what seems likely to be the calm before the storm.

"rising entitlement obligations will put enormous pressure on the federal budget in coming years.

"the CBO calculates that, by 2030, the federal budget deficit will approach 9 percent of GDP--more than four times greater as a share of GDP than the deficit in fiscal year 2006." He goes on to say this is unrealistically optimistic.

"a vicious cycle may develop in which large deficits lead to rapid growth in debt and interest payments, which in turn adds to subsequent deficits.

"Ultimately, this expansion of debt would spark a fiscal crisis, which could be addressed only by very sharp spending cuts or tax increases, or both.

"future generations of Americans will bear a growing burden of the debt and experience slower growth in per-capita income.

"In summary... federal expenditures for entitlement programs are projected to rise sharply over the next few decades... if early and meaningful action is not taken, the U.S. economy could be seriously weakened, with future generations bearing much of the cost."

Read his full text here.

He spells out two scenarios: early tax increases and entitlement cuts, or a severe economic depression later. Both involve sharply diminished expectations for future generations of Americans.

Reading between the lines: Bush totally blew the last decade in which we could have averted this crisis.

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

Here here! I am not going to help my neighbor fix his roof BEFORE i fix my own! Yes we have freedoms that some countries do not have but this country is going downhill and quickly...no one in this country should be super struggleing...there are sooooooooo many ppl beating the system and the good citizens of this country..and Bush is visibly for the rich...and is visibly trying to save the oil in the middle east and will take control any damned way he can and i am just stupified to grasp how anyone cannot see this...Bush needs to GIVE UP...NOW!!!! The country needs to get back on track, we need to fix healthcare and the schools...and get those kids back home from the war...we need RUDY...NOW!!!! If you are not scared right now, you need to be!!!

RUDY SUPPORTS THE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by RodFarlee

Federal Reserve Board chairman Ben Bernanke testified before the Senate Finance Committee last week. Some exerpts:

"we are experiencing what seems likely to be the calm before the storm.

"rising entitlement obligations will put enormous pressure on the federal budget in coming years.

"the CBO calculates that, by 2030, the federal budget deficit will approach 9 percent of GDP--more than four times greater as a share of GDP than the deficit in fiscal year 2006." He goes on to say this is unrealistically optimistic.

"a vicious cycle may develop in which large deficits lead to rapid growth in debt and interest payments, which in turn adds to subsequent deficits.

"Ultimately, this expansion of debt would spark a fiscal crisis, which could be addressed only by very sharp spending cuts or tax increases, or both.

"future generations of Americans will bear a growing burden of the debt and experience slower growth in per-capita income.

"In summary... federal expenditures for entitlement programs are projected to rise sharply over the next few decades... if early and meaningful action is not taken, the U.S. economy could be seriously weakened, with future generations bearing much of the cost."

Read his full text here.

He spells out two scenarios: early tax increases and entitlement cuts, or a severe economic depression later. Both involve sharply diminished expectations for future generations of Americans.

Reading between the lines: Bush totally blew the last decade in which we could have averted this crisis.

That's a bunch of crap!!! If you liberals get a hold of our economy God Help us All!!!!

[NHYRNUT]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

That's a bunch of crap!!! If you liberals get a hold of our economy God Help us All!!!!

I must agree here. Liberals would tax us to death. Don't worry about our Currancy though as it will be gone in time and replaced with anew.

[RodFarlee]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

That's a bunch of crap!!! If you liberals get a hold of our economy God Help us All!!!!

Ben Bernanke, Fed chairman and Bush appointee, is a liberal?

I didn't realize that! Thanks for straightening me out?

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

RUDY SUPPORTS THE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

He does not support sending more troops and that's where i stand.

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

He does not support sending more troops and that's where i stand.

I heard him today commenting on the President and he is behind him 100% Why would you support Rudy if he supports the war? You don't support this war at all. Maybe you should vote for Obama, he wants to bring the troops home now. You are not going to get that with Rudy. Here an interview with him after the Bush speech. You better get a new man. LOL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183449,00.html

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

I heard him today commenting on the President and he is behind him 100% Why would you support Rudy if he supports the war? You don't support this war at all. Maybe you should vote for Obama, he wants to bring the troops home now. You are not going to get that with Rudy. Here an interview with him after the Bush speech. You better get a new man. LOL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183449,00.html

Well first off, maybe i missed it but no where does Rudy say he supports sending more troops over there...second, as i have said before, of all who are candidates, Rudy is my choice. I am not one of those ppl that say i don't like any of them so i'm not voting...right now Rudy, for me, is the only choice to run this country.

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

Well first off, maybe i missed it but no where does Rudy say he supports sending more troops over there...second, as i have said before, of all who are candidates, Rudy is my choice. I am not one of those ppl that say i don't like any of them so i'm not voting...right now Rudy, for me, is the only choice to run this country.

I agree I am voting for Rudy myself, but I support the war and GW and so does Rudy. If I was as against GW as you were I wouldn't vote for anyone that would support that lunatic as you call him. I would probably vote for Obama. Anyway......I'm glad Rudy has your support Let's get him elected!!!

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

I agree I am voting for Rudy myself, but I support the war and GW and so does Rudy. If I was as against GW as you were I wouldn't vote for anyone that would support that lunatic as you call him. I would probably vote for Obama. Anyway......I'm glad Rudy has your support Let's get him elected!!!

Like i said, Rudy has not said he supports sending more troops...but, even if he did, and i think it is a huge mistake, i think that Rudy can help get the USA in many other ways. And like i said, i do not see a better candidate for Pres. I never heard of Obama before this have you?

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

Like i said, Rudy has not said he supports sending more troops...but, even if he did, and i think it is a huge mistake, i think that Rudy can help get the USA in many other ways. And like i said, i do not see a better candidate for Pres. I never heard of Obama before this have you?

Nope except he made some speech at the DNC convention. The Clintons won't let him get too far. They will be on the attack.

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

Nope except he made some speech at the DNC convention. The Clintons won't let him get too far. They will be on the attack.

I voted for Clinton..and i think Clinton did a decent job as pres...I on the other hand can't stand Hillary and i am old schooled, i don't think a female should be pres...way too many harmones going on, way too sympathetic..LOL...but Hillary just rubs me the wrong way.

[ProEye]

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

I voted for Clinton..and i think Clinton did a decent job as pres...I on the other hand can't stand Hillary and i am old schooled, i don't think a female should be pres...way too many harmones going on, way too sympathetic..LOL...but Hillary just rubs me the wrong way.

I think you feel like a lot of Americans. She is just too abrasive. She reminds me of Geraldine Ferraro.

I don't think I'd mind a female president. There have been plenty of female leaders from the past who did very well. I respected Margaret Thatcher a great deal. She was a great woman.

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Osama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by ProEye

I think you feel like a lot of Americans. She is just too abrasive. She reminds me of Geraldine Ferraro.

I don't think I'd mind a female president. There have been plenty of female leaders from the past who did very well. I respected Margaret Thatcher a great deal. She was a great woman.

Yes but the English do things differently then we do here...so she was a good leader, there.

[Curious George]

If the best the dem’s can do is billary an obama there in tuff shape
If she didn’t couldn’t tell if bill was running around on her all those years
I definitely don’t want her deciding foreign policy ! That an she ran the country long
Enough with bill obama doesn’t have a chance people are not going to vote for a Muslim
When we at war with radical Muslim’s it just rubes them the wrong way . but hey that just means another republican president . I guess the dems just don’t get it


By the way rainbow for president!

[RAINBOWWAVES]

Originally Posted by Curious George

If the best the dem’s can do is billary an obama there in tuff shape
If she didn’t couldn’t tell if bill was running around on her all those years
I definitely don’t want her deciding foreign policy ! That an she ran the country long
Enough with bill obama doesn’t have a chance people are not going to vote for a Muslim
When we at war with radical Muslim’s it just rubes them the wrong way . but hey that just means another republican president . I guess the dems just don’t get it


By the way rainbow for president!

LOL...thanx but no thanx...i'd be pusing that red button and say goodbye and good riddens...now lets move on and get with some more pressing issues right here in our own backyard...Hillary was very aware for many moons that her hubby was doing the nasty with everyone and thier mother, she was either a complete fridgit woman or she just had no self respect, or both...and of course greed played a big part in it as she wasn't giving up being first lady or all the perks that come with it...If my husband embarrassed me to the whole world like that, there would have been much hell to pay, trust me. I truely believe that Obama is trying to become pres as to allow muslims to tak