Homeschooling vs. Public School

Jenbar · 02-08-2007, 02:25 PM

Anyone have an opinion?

**T.S.** · 02-08-2007, 02:33 PM

I don't yet have kids, but they will be going to public or private school with other children when I do have them. I am not a fan of homeschooling. I want my future kids to have the daily social interaction with large groups of other children that a normal school provides.

**PDXnative** · 02-08-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by T.S.

I don't yet have kids, but they will be going to public or private school with other children when I do have them. I am not a fan of homeschooling. I want my future kids to have the daily social interaction with large groups of other children that a normal school provides.

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Fully agree. I think homeschooling only makes sense if you are sailing around the world or living in a 3rd world country with your kids.

We plan to have our daughter go to public school which we plan to sell our house and buy a house in an area that has good schools. If she has issues later on, then we can always try private school.

Jenbar · 02-08-2007, 02:41 PM

My kids are in public school and I am kind of a fence rider on this subject - but to play devil's advocate here, homeschooling groups have large networking opportunities which bring kids together for classes, and extra curricular activities.

In addition, there are outlets within most communities that offer classes with other children, and frequently, the school district brings other homeschooling kids together...

So, if the issue is "social interaction" there are many ways to achieve this outside of the standard school model.

**T.S.** · 02-08-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenbar

My kids are in public school and I am kind of a fence rider on this subject - but to play devil's advocate here, homeschooling groups have large networking opportunities which bring kids together for classes, and extra curricular activities.

In addition, there are outlets within most communities that offer classes with other children, and frequently, the school district brings other homeschooling kids together...

So, if the issue is "social interaction" there are many ways to achieve this outside of the standard school model.

I know about their groups, but I don't feel that it is the same. It is not daily interaction and I don't think they are together enough to learn the usual social skills and lessons of life that the daily interaction in a large group at a normal school provides. I also think that it might be harder for homeschooled kids to fit in with the other kids in the neighborhood while out of school because the rest of them meet, talk, and make plans together daily while on the school bus and at school together.

**PDXnative** · 02-08-2007, 03:04 PM

The biggest problem I have with homeschooling, is any prejudices, biases, and weaknesses with the parents will be thrust upon the children. Even if they happen to have PhD's, they may still do more damage than good homeschooling their kids.

**Sekretgardengal** · 02-08-2007, 03:07 PM

My kids were in public school. They did wonderfully.
The people we bought the house from homeschooled their kids.
Now they are homeschooling them for college. The kids have to meet with a professor once a week.
I was never a good teacher and I think I would rather leave that to the professional.

**Wyoming53** · 02-08-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenbar

Anyone have an opinion?

All of my children went to public schools. Like mentioned above, it gives them a daily interaction to learn social skills and gives them a well rounded background.

I've never considered private school or home schooling. If I had problems with something at the school, I went down and discussed it. If it was a big problem, I rallied several other families and we all went down and discussed it. If we didn't get satisfaction, we rallied and went to the school board. In almost every case a reasonable compromise could be reached.

Although, I can see in some cases, that home schooling is a must. Say for instance, injured or sick child unable to attend school. Or in the case of some ranches around here. 16 miles of unencumbered road (not maintained by the country) and the ranch is snowed in for 6 weeks at a time. Definate advantage but reasonable cause.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-08-2007, 05:22 PM

My son was shot in the neck in the middle of ninth grade and i immed took him out of school and he was tutored which the school paid for, for 4 yrs of high school...he graduated with straight As...he has to wear that bullet for the rest of his life..He still has a ton of friends so he didn't miss anything but a classroom. It was big news here..on TV, in all the papers.

**CandyApple** · 02-09-2007, 01:41 AM

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I don't yet have kids, but they will be going to public or private school with other children when I do have them. I am not a fan of homeschooling. I want my future kids to have the daily social interaction with large groups of other children that a normal school provides.

Social interaction? Ha ha, not with me. I didn't like other children when I was that age. I had ONE friend in elementary school. Nobody cared if I didn't do anything, I got sent to the principal's a lot, never knew why, don't think they told my parents about it, either. Parents never asked me about my day, never thought to tell them. Then I was home schooled (still had the one friend until she moved). Whenever we'd go to the "home school group" I avoided the other kids. I just wanted to play on the playground. Not that I'd never play with anyone (sometimes I'd play with my mom's friends' kids on their rare visits), but for the most part... no. I started liking people better in high school.

When I had my kid, I thought, "Well, if she doesn't like people she doesn't have to play with them." Imagine my shock when she ended up liking everyone.

I should've developed a more extensive social network! She doesn't get around people as much as she should, so now she has trouble warming up to them.

IMO, if the parents haven't gotten their kids into the "social scene" before they ever hit school, they've done their children a grave disservice. And if you DO manage to build up a retinue of regularly visited friends, how is not going to school going to change that? You want a lot of kids in the same place?... Did someone say sleepover? Or picnic?

My point- don't rely on school to socialize your children.

My second point? Don't get offended by the "grave disservice" comment- I was referring to myself! Maybe I should start a "mommy guilt" thread?...

**RodFarlee** · 02-09-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PDXnative

The biggest problem I have with homeschooling, is any prejudices, biases, and weaknesses with the parents will be thrust upon the children.

According to the U.S. Dept. of Education's Homeschooling in the United States: 2003 survey, 72 percent of homeschooling parents cited "to provide religious or moral instruction" as an important reason why they homeschool.

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Even if they happen to have PhD's, they may still do more damage than good homeschooling their kids.

According to the same survey of homeschooling parents, 25% have high school or less education, and another 33% have some college but no degree.

The minimum required to be hired to teach in a public school in most states is a B.S. in El.Ed., with an M.S. for full qualification.

**milliebfit** · 02-09-2007, 08:48 AM

My daughter is in catholic school..I like the fact that she can say God and pray.... I made that decision so she could have her religion mixed with school work...I have nothing against homeschooling,I just do not think I am smart enough to do it.

**Wyody** · 02-09-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by milliebfit

...I have nothing against homeschooling,I just do not think I am smart enough to do it.

I feel the same way. Some of the folks I've known who are homeschooling their kids just absolutely shouldn't be!
I'm torn between the social-development that public school offers ... and the caveman mentality that comes along with it ... but in facing the real-world, it's the caveman mentality that is often more prevalent and advantageous!
And now, the Geico Caveman has made me feel guilty for using this terminology!

deeptrance · 02-09-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenbar

...homeschooling groups have large networking opportunities which bring kids together for classes, and extra curricular activities.

In addition, there are outlets within most communities that offer classes with other children, and frequently, the school district brings other homeschooling kids together...

So, if the issue is "social interaction" there are many ways to achieve this outside of the standard school model.

I couldn't have said it better. I'm a huge fan of home-schooling, although not in the literal sense of keeping children at home. Perhaps it should be called "open-schooling" or "anarchistic schooling."

Public schools, in my opinion, are fraught with far too many problems than can possibly be fixed. I don't believe in top-down authoritarian systems, conformity, or politicized education that is forced upon people who disagree with it. Public schools have their hands tied by religious fundamentalists, leftist politically-correct activists, teachers' unions, budget constraints, ignorant local school boards, bloated inefficiencies due to the size and complexity of the system, and -- worst of all -- the problem of robbing parents and children of the right to make their own decisions about how and where they will receive an education.

More freedom, less control, abolish public schools and fully fund an open anarchistic network that is created by individuals rather than forced upon them from a distant authoritarian bureaucracy.

Anybody with me?

deeptrance · 02-09-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

My son was shot in the neck...
...he has to wear that bullet for the rest of his life..

I'm so sorry he, and your family, had to go through such a horrifying experience. I presume he has to "wear that bullet" because removing it could cost him his life...? That's terrifying!

It must have taken all of you a long time to regain any sense of having a normal life after that tragedy. People can be so evil, it's endlessly depressing...

**milliebfit** · 02-09-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

My son was shot in the neck in the middle of ninth grade and i immed took him out of school and he was tutored which the school paid for, for 4 yrs of high school...he graduated with straight As...he has to wear that bullet for the rest of his life..He still has a ton of friends so he didn't miss anything but a classroom. It was big news here..on TV, in all the papers.

I had to read this a second time!!! I can't imagine how scarry that was for your family!!! Thank God he is OK... Kids should feel safe in school..I think those days are over for our kids.

**isabel** · 02-09-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milliebfit

I had to read this a second time!!! I can't imagine how scarry that was for your family!!! Thank God he is OK... Kids should feel safe in school..I think those days are over for our kids.

Our kids go to a public school...but we had the luxury of moving to where the good schools are. Our kids feel safe and we feel good about the school they are in.

We send our little one to a preschool for socialization. I spoil her something awful. So the preschool gives structure and boundries that are good for her.

But if we lived in an area where schools felt not safe...then I would home teach. I have friends that do and the kids get their social time when they meet with other homestudy kids, neighbors kids, cousins, and church.

Sometimes social interaction is a negative. If kids are easily impressed with antisocial behavior, not acceptable by the law or our system. Those are kids that join gangs and break the law.

My own little ones have behavioral issues in school because of their former background. Sometimes parents home school because their children do not do well in the main stream...such as children with emotional-behavioral issues. Sometimes it takes years before they can fit into the main stream and do well.

I am glad I have a choice and I think there are good reasons to chose either one.

Izzy

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-09-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deeptrance

I'm so sorry he, and your family, had to go through such a horrifying experience. I presume he has to "wear that bullet" because removing it could cost him his life...? That's terrifying!

It must have taken all of you a long time to regain any sense of having a normal life after that tragedy. People can be so evil, it's endlessly depressing...

Thank you very much. If he did not move his head by a teeny tiny hair, the bullet would have hit the target and that was the caratoid artery and he would have died. The docs said it was a miracle. The bullet is in btwn the artery and the 3rd and 4th vertabre, they said they couldn't remove the bullet as either he could bleed to death or be a quad like Chris Reeves. He saved his own life, he put his hand on the wound and held pressure till the cops came. Our hosp is only 5 mins away and they don't handle trauma so he had to be flown to another hosp in west palm beach. This happened when he was 14, he had to have an angigram and they gave us a copy of it...you can clearly see the bullet. We sued the parents of the kid who shot him and won...Kid was a Marilyn Manson fan and was making a sacrifice of my son to the devil..he admitted guilt and was put in juvi for all of 5 days and then released...he got a slap on the wrist and got probation... for attempted murder! We were in complete shock and still are. My son has pain in the neck, head and shoulder. He has brutal nighmares, he wakes up screaming, I'm dead, he killed me, i'm dead...almost every night. He went for therapy with no results.

deeptrance · 02-09-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

...Kid was a Marilyn Manson fan and was making a sacrifice of my son to the devil..he admitted guilt and was put in juvi for all of 5 days and then released...he got a slap on the wrist and got probation... for attempted murder!

Wow... you should post this part in a new thread about crime and punishment. Everyone who is responsible for letting that violent psycho off the hook should get to experience just one day like you or your son experienced. Maybe that would knock some sense into them and they'd realize that shooting people in the neck isn't something you respond to with a warning and a "have a nice day, and please don't shoot anyone again!"

Dang, now I'm pissed! No wonder you get angry in a lot of your posts.

Curious George · 02-09-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

Our kids go to a public school...but we had the luxury of moving to where the good schools are. Our kids feel safe and we feel good about the school they are in.

We send our little one to a preschool for socialization. I spoil her something awful. So the preschool gives structure and boundries that are good for her.

But if we lived in an area where schools felt not safe...then I would home teach. I have friends that do and the kids get their social time when they meet with other homestudy kids, neighbors kids, cousins, and church.

Sometimes social interaction is a negative. If kids are easily impressed with antisocial behavior, not acceptable by the law or our system. Those are kids that join gangs and break the law.

My own little ones have behavioral issues in school because of their former background. Sometimes parents home school because their children do not do well in the main stream...such as children with emotional-behavioral issues. Sometimes it takes years before they can fit into the main stream and do well.

I am glad I have a choice and I think there are good reasons to chose either one.

Izzy

There is good an bad to be said for all of that but allot of the core values of the kids come from home now days many kids are in day care then preschool harder to instill the core values needed when the kids go full time to school with home school it’s easer to do that but the kids need to be able to interact in school with all the different challenges
of social behavior . they need to know how to deal bullies an all the other type of personalities life doesn’t get any easer out of school .

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-09-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by milliebfit

I had to read this a second time!!! I can't imagine how scarry that was for your family!!! Thank God he is OK... Kids should feel safe in school..I think those days are over for our kids.

Thanx, Millie...when we got the call and went to the scene, there were a ton of cop cars, an ambulance, a fire/rescue and what really scared us was the news van...i was shaking like a leaf...my husband and i looked at each other and said, oh my God, he's dead...but, he wasn't. Thank God! There were sooooo many ppl there...i almost passed out.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-09-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deeptrance

Wow... you should post this part in a new thread about crime and punishment. Everyone who is responsible for letting that violent psycho off the hook should get to experience just one day like you or your son experienced. Maybe that would knock some sense into them and they'd realize that shooting people in the neck isn't something you respond to with a warning and a "have a nice day, and please don't shoot anyone again!"

Dang, now I'm pissed! No wonder you get angry in a lot of your posts.

Yes, that is one of the reasons we hate gangsta rap and goth and devil metal and all this horrible music that gives kids bad ideas...ppl do not realize that music and musicians have a huge influence on kids. The reason he was cut loose is he had no priors that were felonies. and i feel that i don't give a **** if you have no priors if you tried to kill someone, your ass should do some time...another thing we have to be grateful for is all his friends came to off condolence and sympathy and spent alot of time trying to make my son feel better. One of my sons friends is a paramedic and was on the other side of town and heard the call and my sons name and came flying back to be with my son in the hosp...the kid that shot my son had to be taken to another part of Fl as my sons friends made it clear they would be after him.

**PDXnative** · 02-09-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

Yes, that is one of the reasons we hate gangsta rap and goth and devil metal and all this horrible music that gives kids bad ideas...ppl do not realize that music and musicians have a huge influence on kids. The reason he was cut loose is he had no priors that were felonies. and i feel that i don't give a **** if you have no priors if you tried to kill someone, your ass should do some time...another thing we have to be grateful for is all his friends came to off condolence and sympathy and spent alot of time trying to make my son feel better. One of my sons friends is a paramedic and was on the other side of town and heard the call and my sons name and came flying back to be with my son in the hosp...the kid that shot my son had to be taken to another part of Fl as my sons friends made it clear they would be after him.

This is total bull****!!!! Sorry, but this one really steams me up. You cannot blame Marilyn Manson or other bands for what kids do. If anyone is to blame, it is their parents. I have been to a Marilyn Manson concert.... it is ALL theatrics!!! It is a SHOW, not real!! I actually found the show rather boring, but the music is good.

Same goes with people blaming cartoons and video games for problems with kids. Hello?? It is not the the video games, cartoons, or music making these kids make bad decisions, it is the lack of guidance from their parents. I am sorry to hear that your son was shot, but the only one who pulled the trigger was the kid who shot him. Was he influenced? Hell yes, by his parents lack of teaching him right and wrong.

Curious George · 02-09-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PDXnative

This is total bull****!!!! Sorry, but this one really steams me up. You cannot blame Marilyn Manson or other bands for what kids do. If anyone is to blame, it is their parents. I have been to a Marilyn Manson concert.... it is ALL theatrics!!! It is a SHOW, not real!! I actually found the show rather boring, but the music is good.

Same goes with people blaming cartoons and video games for problems with kids. Hello?? It is not the the video games, cartoons, or music making these kids make bad decisions, it is the lack of guidance from their parents. I am sorry to hear that your son was shot, but the only one who pulled the trigger was the kid who shot him. Was he influenced? Hell yes, by his parents lack of teaching him right and wrong.

Pdx some kids are impressionable enough that it doesn’t take much to push them over the edge . most kids it is not a problem but others will imitate what they see . your right though most of the problem is the parents fault but not always some times it’s circumstances . I will tell you though I did see a noticeable change with my son when he went through a faze of listing to Rapp .

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-09-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

Pdx some kids are impressionable enough that it doesn’t take much to push them over the edge . most kids it is not a problem but others will imitate what they see . your right though most of the problem is the parents fault but not always some times it’s circumstances . I will tell you though I did see a noticeable change with my son when he went through a faze of listing to Rapp .

This kid took a song with the lyrics, bring me one who is pure, one who believes...and that was what this freak ass kid did.....I just cannot understand why these ppl like Marilyn Manson would WANT to have such revolting and hideous lyrics for "some" kids to get off on? I'm sorry but preaching violence, rape, disrespect for authority, guns, drugs and alcohol, murder and suicide is not what i call freedom of expression...no one wants to hear the N word tho but the music is ok? Trust me, there is alot of crime that was sparked by music.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-09-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PDXnative

This is total bull****!!!! Sorry, but this one really steams me up. You cannot blame Marilyn Manson or other bands for what kids do. If anyone is to blame, it is their parents. I have been to a Marilyn Manson concert.... it is ALL theatrics!!! It is a SHOW, not real!! I actually found the show rather boring, but the music is good.

Same goes with people blaming cartoons and video games for problems with kids. Hello?? It is not the the video games, cartoons, or music making these kids make bad decisions, it is the lack of guidance from their parents. I am sorry to hear that your son was shot, but the only one who pulled the trigger was the kid who shot him. Was he influenced? Hell yes, by his parents lack of teaching him right and wrong.

I totally agree with you about parents and that's another issue i have been attacked on, is when both parents work and the kids have an hour or 2 to do what ever...but i'm sorry to tell you that some kids look upon a singer or band as Gods and take the lyrics seriously...why these bands feel the need for such brutal lyrics is beyond me...

**isabel** · 02-09-2007, 09:55 PM

Surroundings has a lot to do with how kids respond to things. Example: If all my kids saw on tv was folks shooting each other. Then it would take the shock value away. They would think it was an accepted part of this world.

Therefore; I screen what my kids watch. If my kids heard four letter words during the day at school...they would think that is a way of being excepted by their peers. Even though we do not use foul language at home.

Our children are socialized and that isn't always good. If their surroundings are not what our family values are, for seven hours a day, then it isn't just the parent's influence that creates their value system...Exposure to the world can come at a price.

But when they become adults they have to deal with the world...at home until they are ready to leave on their own, they at least see what we think is right for them. Friends have a big influence on kids, so we meet their parents and we make sure our kids are under adult supervision (have the same values we do).

What I mean by same values is...at least they do not have guns in their home...guns scare me...they are not drinking in front of the kids...they don't send them down the street to play...they don't fight and cuss in front of the kids. We need all those things to feel safe about our kids. And a lot more I guess. Because the times they go with another adult, and friend are rare. The world isn't safe these days.

Izzy

deeptrance · 02-09-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

...some kids are impressionable enough that it doesn’t take much to push them over the edge...
...I did see a noticeable change with my son when he went through a faze of listing to Rapp .

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Originally Posted by isabel

The world isn't safe these days.

Izzy

The world we live in is constantly changing but that isn't new. Change is the only thing (other than death) that we can count on.

What we have to do is continually adapt to changes in the world around us. Human nature, however, is pretty much the same now as it was a million years ago. We have an obesity epidemic in wealthy nations because our brains are pr

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Jenbar Banned Join Date: Feb 01st, 2007 Location: Here Posts: 594	Homeschooling vs. Public School Anyone have an opinion?

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T.S. Member Join Date: Oct 12th, 2006 Location: MN to NC to FL to MN Posts: 753	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School I don't yet have kids, but they will be going to public or private school with other children when I do have them. I am not a fan of homeschooling. I want my future kids to have the daily social interaction with large groups of other children that a normal school provides.

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Jenbar Banned Join Date: Feb 01st, 2007 Location: Here Posts: 594	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School My kids are in public school and I am kind of a fence rider on this subject - but to play devil's advocate here, homeschooling groups have large networking opportunities which bring kids together for classes, and extra curricular activities. In addition, there are outlets within most communities that offer classes with other children, and frequently, the school district brings other homeschooling kids together... So, if the issue is "social interaction" there are many ways to achieve this outside of the standard school model.

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PDXnative Omnipotent Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,225	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School The biggest problem I have with homeschooling, is any prejudices, biases, and weaknesses with the parents will be thrust upon the children. Even if they happen to have PhD's, they may still do more damage than good homeschooling their kids. __________________ Who put the alphabet in alphabetical order?

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Sekretgardengal Hi guys, I am here! Join Date: Nov 30th, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,111	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School My kids were in public school. They did wonderfully. The people we bought the house from homeschooled their kids. Now they are homeschooling them for college. The kids have to meet with a professor once a week. I was never a good teacher and I think I would rather leave that to the professional. __________________ I am back!

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RAINBOWWAVES Banned Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 713	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School My son was shot in the neck in the middle of ninth grade and i immed took him out of school and he was tutored which the school paid for, for 4 yrs of high school...he graduated with straight As...he has to wear that bullet for the rest of his life..He still has a ton of friends so he didn't miss anything but a classroom. It was big news here..on TV, in all the papers.

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milliebfit Member Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 146	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School My daughter is in catholic school..I like the fact that she can say God and pray.... I made that decision so she could have her religion mixed with school work...I have nothing against homeschooling,I just do not think I am smart enough to do it.

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isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,406	Re: Homeschooling vs. Public School Surroundings has a lot to do with how kids respond to things. Example: If all my kids saw on tv was folks shooting each other. Then it would take the shock value away. They would think it was an accepted part of this world. Therefore; I screen what my kids watch. If my kids heard four letter words during the day at school...they would think that is a way of being excepted by their peers. Even though we do not use foul language at home. Our children are socialized and that isn't always good. If their surroundings are not what our family values are, for seven hours a day, then it isn't just the parent's influence that creates their value system...Exposure to the world can come at a price. But when they become adults they have to deal with the world...at home until they are ready to leave on their own, they at least see what we think is right for them. Friends have a big influence on kids, so we meet their parents and we make sure our kids are under adult supervision (have the same values we do). What I mean by same values is...at least they do not have guns in their home...guns scare me...they are not drinking in front of the kids...they don't send them down the street to play...they don't fight and cuss in front of the kids. We need all those things to feel safe about our kids. And a lot more I guess. Because the times they go with another adult, and friend are rare. The world isn't safe these days. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)