Port Saint Lucie

RAINBOWWAVES · 11-06-2006, 04:45 AM

someone in citycaca wrote this about Holiday Builders and i'd like to know where in hell they get that they are builders for low income ppl? LOL...that just cracked me up! All builders have low and expensive houses...Holiday gives more footage for the money and they don't do custom. Plus i would love to know what in hell that person means by "bad" meighborhoods....John Travolta just bought some land to build a house here...so........LOL...can't be that bad!
Here is the post>>>>>
http://www.city-data.com/forum/showt...132#post153132
Posted by: lindalu
On: 11-05-2006 01:05 PM

These builders build homes for lower income families. Not poor but those who
need affordable houses. The areas they build in I would never want to live in. I
am a working class person too, but those neighborhoods are not the best.
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**Sekretgardengal** · 12-12-2006, 10:39 AM

Holiday builders aren't one of my favorites. They are throwing them up down here real fast.

RAINBOWWAVES · 12-12-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sekretgardengal

Holiday builders aren't one of my favorites. They are throwing them up down here real fast.

We went to every single builder in PSL back in 2001. Holiday was the only one with the great offer of including all appliances. They gave more footage for the money too. We went thru 3 hurricanes without losing a single roof tile..so i feel very lucky. Ppl don't seem to realize that it doesn't really matter who's building a house, it still has to pass all inspections and codes.

**Sekretgardengal** · 12-12-2006, 12:22 PM

That is so true. I am happy to hear that everything went smoothly with your new home. There were a few problems with some of the homes they build in Punta Gorda. People were complaining in the news paper. I see alot of their homes being built in my area and they are sitting empty.
The inspectors here in Charlotte County aren't that good either. Maybe that's why the people were having problems. I dunno.

RAINBOWWAVES · 12-12-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sekretgardengal

That is so true. I am happy to hear that everything went smoothly with your new home. There were a few problems with some of the homes they build in Punta Gorda. People were complaining in the news paper. I see alot of their homes being built in my area and they are sitting empty.
The inspectors here in Charlotte County aren't that good either. Maybe that's why the people were having problems. I dunno.

I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use mexicans as contractors. We saw first hand with 2 new houses in my neighborhood what bad work they do and what a huge mess they make.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-18-2007, 03:11 AM

now this is a house! it is just 10 mins from us..
http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/real_estat...351774,00.html

Jenbar · 02-20-2007, 10:08 AM

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I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use mexicans as contractors.

Still at it, I see....

**scirocco22** · 02-20-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use mexicans as contractors. We saw first hand with 2 new houses in my neighborhood what bad work they do and what a huge mess they make.

What an absurd statement! Here we go again ...how can she just lump everyone of a particular nationality --as she apparently is doing here-- into one category on the basis of what happened with two houses in her neighborhood?!

I have personally had some very good experiences with workers that came to this country from Mexico ...neat, clean, polite. How offended would they be if they heard someone espouse those two sentences above?

Okay, again, I'm going to try my best not to call names here. However, what she has said shows prejudice and are the words of a bigot. Look the definitions of those words up in the dictionary. I'm not saying that "YOU are a racist, rainbowwaves" ...I'm not even saying that "YOU are a bigot" but you are definitely using the WORDS of a bigot or structuring your sentences so as to come across as being one.

I'm not using the eloquently and/or sometimes tersely worded speech as DT, RF, or JB might use but I hope I'm getting my point across.

I'm glad she can't see my post because I'm sure we'd hear quite a diatribe from her in defense of what was said and the accusations that "what part of what I said don't you get" crap that she always throws around but perhaps the 5 or 6 on this forum that she has on her "iggy" list will understand the point I'm trying to make ...I don't know.

--'rocco

edit: oh, WTF? ...she made those comments back in December! ...what am I getting so upset for then?

TalmudTemple · 02-20-2007, 12:31 PM

I too have had very very good experiences with Spanish-speaking natives. They built my house's barrel tile roof, and I have never seen such a perfectionist exaample of workmanship.

By the way, it seems that most Anglos thiink that all Latin workers are or Mexican origin. Here in Florida we have a very large contingent of laborers and skilled workers from Honnduras, Costa Rica, Colombia, Cuba, and of course Mexico.

Only undereducated Anglos don't acknowledge diversity within similar groups of peoples. Dumb stuff, but not totally unexpected.

**scirocco22** · 02-20-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TalmudTemple

I too have had very very good experiences with Spanish-speaking natives. They built my house's barrel tile roof, and I have never seen such a perfectionist exaample of workmanship.

By the way, it seems that most Anglos thiink that all Latin workers are or Mexican origin. Here in Florida we have a very large contingent of laborers and skilled workers from Honnduras, Costa Rica, Colombia, Cuba, and of course Mexico.

Only undereducated Anglos don't acknowledge diversity within similar groups of peoples. Dumb stuff, but not totally unexpected.

Excellent point. I was contemplating saying something similar but had trouble with the wording. Well stated.

--'rocco

Curious George · 02-20-2007, 01:19 PM

So rocco what do you know about port saint lucie?

**scirocco22** · 02-20-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

So rocco what do you know about port saint lucie?

nuttin, curious ...but that ain't the point.

--'rocco

Curious George · 02-20-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scirocco22

nuttin, curious ...but that ain't the point.

--'rocco

I was just curious if you knew anything about it. I wanted more info

**scirocco22** · 02-20-2007, 01:51 PM

*lol* ...ok, i get YOUR point now.

You're all right , curious!

--'rocco

Curious George · 02-20-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scirocco22

*lol* ...ok, i get YOUR point now.

You're all right , curious!

--'rocco

Very easy to be misunderstood even when you get along with someone .
That happens a lot to me.

**Panterro** · 02-20-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scirocco22

*lol* ...ok, i get YOUR point now.

You're all right , curious!

--'rocco

Perfect example of mindsets.. you get set in your mind how a topic or person is, and no matter what they say your going to find fault with it. Your going to assume the worse, and not read a post for what it is.

**MyAzi** · 02-20-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use mexicans as contractors.

Okay now Rainbow.. Now I am going to have to say something. First this is an ignorant statement. Have you ever been to Mexico? Have you seen the beautiful architecture of the buildings in Mexico City? Of which we have nothing close to compare here in the US. Standing so strong and sturdy that not even the big quake knocked down those buildings? Are you aware that even the poorest of people in Mexico use blocks to build their homes? Not 2x4's, not brick but block... Did you know that the people of Mexico are some of the hardest working people who take pride in their work? No matter what they do from Farmers and Housekeepers to Doctors and Lawyers. Did you know that they teach their children to value and respect what they are taught and who they are taught by?

You made a general statement about a race of people that you know nothing about. And that is offensive. What you probably experienced was Hispanic AMERICAN's who were raised here and have little work ethic... I know many of every race. Please do not generalize an entire race of people because of what you experienced.

**Panterro** · 02-20-2007, 10:41 PM

I think she misspoke, I think what she meant was Illegal labor.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-20-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MyAzi

Okay now Rainbow.. Now I am going to have to say something. First this is an ignorant statement. Have you ever been to Mexico? Have you seen the beautiful architecture of the buildings in Mexico City? Of which we have nothing close to compare here in the US. Standing so strong and sturdy that not even the big quake knocked down those buildings? Are you aware that even the poorest of people in Mexico use blocks to build their homes? Not 2x4's, not brick but block... Did you know that the people of Mexico are some of the hardest working people who take pride in their work? No matter what they do from Farmers and Housekeepers to Doctors and Lawyers. Did you know that they teach their children to value and respect what they are taught and who they are taught by?

You made a general statement about a race of people that you know nothing about. And that is offensive. What you probably experienced was Hispanic AMERICAN's who were raised here and have little work ethic... I know many of every race. Please do not generalize an entire race of people because of what you experienced.

IGNORANT? Are you saying i have no right to generalize?They are ILLEGALS...HELLLLO? My sons doctor is mexican. Listen, so do me favor...Talk to someone else ok? I am sick of it...if you want to live under a rock and never see day light, that's your business, AGAIN, i am NOT NOT NOT talking all Mexicans. How would you like a person wiring your house that's not a licensed electrician? How would you like workers STEALING your water? How would you like workers STEALING your stuff that you were going to bring to the church? How would you like to find some workers in your pool? there is a huge illegals problem here..wow you sound alot like someone else here now and i was fooled...you're a poser. Who the hell are you or anyone else to say my comments are ignorant?????? Most Mexicans here are illegals...it's in the news all the time. and these hard workers are busy stealing...no i have never been to Mexico and have absolutely no desire what so ever to. do so.. These ppl take pride in picking fruits and veggies but i assure you, not in building houses...they can't even speak english for Gods sake so how the hell are they going to do anything? They throw paint brushes and spakel pails all over instead of in the dumpsters... Do me a favor and don't post nonsense anymore. Read the news here in Fl on illegals ok?

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-20-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Panterro

I think she misspoke, I think what she meant was Illegal labor.

Yes, here we go again...sooooooo obvious.

**MyAzi** · 02-21-2007, 01:28 AM

First of all you said the following:

"I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use Mexicans as contractors. We saw first hand with 2 new houses in my neighborhood what bad work they do and what a huge mess they make."

No where did you reference the word ILLEGAL. So when you make a statement like that is makes you sound like a bigot. Note I said makes you sound like one... I am not calling you one. Let me make that clear.

Secondly you are not talking to someone living under a rock where Illegal Immigration is concerned. Having lived most of my life in Southern California (Coachella Valley) where the Hispanic population is over 50% and much of that being illegal immigrants. It makes me furious that they are given work and don't pay their share of taxes. That they get benefits that my children never were able to get. HOWEVER... just because they are in this country illegally doesn't make them all thieves or lazy. I will give you that there are some that are and keep in mind that there are many Americans that fall in the same category. I have found some workers in my pool when they were supposed to be doing stucco on the house. They were not illegal. No one likes to be taken advantage of... under any circumstances by anybody. Illegal Immigration is a growing problem in this country and It is frustrating and just plain wrong. But as I quoted you above... you didn't use the word illegal and no it was not obvious. And for the record most of the illegal in FL although Hispanic are not Mexican. Most are South American.

Now... why is it that you feel the need to attack and insult? I did not attack and insult you. I told you I felt that your statement was Ignorant. Not you in general. And if you feel you have the right to say what you want, then why is it that no one else can comment with their opinion..??? Wow I tell you it is good thing I don't get offended easily....

I wish you would calm down and go back to being that fun nice person posting here when we all joined. Not all of us hate you or are ganging up on you.. you need not be so defensive all the time.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-21-2007, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MyAzi

First of all you said the following:

"I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use Mexicans as contractors. We saw first hand with 2 new houses in my neighborhood what bad work they do and what a huge mess they make."

No where did you reference the word ILLEGAL. So when you make a statement like that is makes you sound like a bigot. Note I said makes you sound like one... I am not calling you one. Let me make that clear.

Secondly you are not talking to someone living under a rock where Illegal Immigration is concerned. Having lived most of my life in Southern California (Coachella Valley) where the Hispanic population is over 50% and much of that being illegal immigrants. It makes me furious that they are given work and don't pay their share of taxes. That they get benefits that my children never were able to get. HOWEVER... just because they are in this country illegally doesn't make them all thieves or lazy. I will give you that there are some that are and keep in mind that there are many Americans that fall in the same category. I have found some workers in my pool when they were supposed to be doing stucco on the house. They were not illegal. No one likes to be taken advantage of... under any circumstances by anybody. Illegal Immigration is a growing problem in this country and It is frustrating and just plain wrong. But as I quoted you above... you didn't use the word illegal and no it was not obvious. And for the record most of the illegal in FL although Hispanic are not Mexican. Most are South American.

Now... why is it that you feel the need to attack and insult? I did not attack and insult you. I told you I felt that your statement was Ignorant. Not you in general. And if you feel you have the right to say what you want, then why is it that no one else can comment with their opinion..??? Wow I tell you it is good thing I don't get offended easily....

I wish you would calm down and go back to being that fun nice person posting here when we all joined. Not all of us hate you or are ganging up on you.. you need not be so defensive all the time.

I don't care what i sound like to you or anyone else that doesn't seem to get it...OK? Ppl who are somewhat smarter did understand what i said and had no need to pick my post apart...what term is best for you, what should i say instead of mexicans? Illegals? Just because you say so? By calling my comment ignorant is most certainly an attack, what term is best for you? FRIENDLY FIRE? Give me a break, your post was an invite for the racist crew and that's what i now believe. Or do you expect me to believe you just wanted to say i am such a nice person? LOL...now you want all to say, yep azi, you're so right, RW is a racist, see? If you thought saying mexicans was ignorant, what does that say about me? Listen, i got your number and won't be calling anymore. and know this, i do no care who calls me a bigot, racist or what ever...so you can all stop trying.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-21-2007, 02:51 AM

"I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use ILLEGAL Mexicans as contractors, As that's all they hire!!!!!

Jenbar · 02-21-2007, 09:28 AM

RW:

Seriously, you are just nasty. She addressed your inflammatory comments in a totally decent way - and you took it way out of bounds. She didn't deserve your lashing out in that way.

... and I just have to say, illegal or not, they are still people.

The issue with your posts (other than the offensive rants you tend to go on) is that you drop all this supposed accurate information, without anything to back it up. That, compounded with your blanket generalizations, end up being totally ineffective in a discussion and offensive. If you would just calm down for a second, think about what you post, and do so - not from emotion, but based out of fact - things wouldn't get "misunderstood".

(though, I firmly believe "we" are not "misunderstanding" you - in fact, I feel we are "getting" you pretty well.)

**Wyody** · 02-21-2007, 10:35 AM

I find it somewhat odd how times have changed.
When I lived in south FL, any problems were usually directed at either the Cuban immigrants or the Black/White issues. And there were problems - mainly perpetrating themselves because America of the mid-20th century didn't solve them ... or were unwilling to solve them then.
To find mention of the word Mexican as a problem group surprises me a little. For a state that has overcome the influx of people from the "Narth" - i.e., New Yawkers, Steelers, Buckeyes, Jersyans and retirees of every ilk while systematically calling each group in their time "immigrants" - I never would've thought there would be a problem with people coming from Mexico.
I still support the Seminole - and think they should run everybody else - and the crocs - out ... except for me and the Latvians.

**MyAzi** · 02-21-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

I don't care what i sound like to you or anyone else that doesn't seem to get it...OK? Ppl who are somewhat smarter did understand what i said and had no need to pick my post apart...what term is best for you, what should i say instead of mexicans? Illegals? Just because you say so? By calling my comment ignorant is most certainly an attack, what term is best for you? FRIENDLY FIRE? Give me a break, your post was an invite for the racist crew and that's what i now believe. Or do you expect me to believe you just wanted to say i am such a nice person? LOL...now you want all to say, yep azi, you're so right, RW is a racist, see? If you thought saying mexicans was ignorant, what does that say about me? Listen, i got your number and won't be calling anymore. and know this, i do no care who calls me a bigot, racist or what ever...so you can all stop trying.

Wow RB again so defensive... I didn't realize you were so sensitive. Perhaps I should keep that in mind the next time I respond to a thread you happen to be posting in. I am not a nasty negative person who likes to attack. I think you were offended that I refused to read your PM about Jen and how your fued got started and that is part of what is going on here, As I said in my relpy I didn't want to get caught up in the BS of what was going on. I am not part of some group you call the "racist crew" and I really don't know what you mean by that. And to be honest I really don't care. I stated my view and chose to be nasty... I can live with that.

Jenbar · 02-21-2007, 03:16 PM

Wow, a public confirmation of what I have suspected and has been told to me privately from other people.... Rainbow has been PMing wildly about me, trying to drum up support, and spread lies - hmmmmm?? I can guess the 3 or so that have listened to her... I would LOVE to see the crap she's spewing in those PM's. Anon status protected to whomever wants to forward some to me :)

Wow. and again, wow.

'Tis just a messageboard people.

**MyAzi** · 02-21-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenbar

Wow, a public confirmation of what I have suspected and has been told to me privately from other people.... Rainbow has been PMing wildly about me, trying to drum up support, and spread lies - hmmmmm?? I can guess the 3 or so that have listened to her... I would LOVE to see the crap she's spewing in those PM's. Anon status protected to whomever wants to forward some to me :)

Wow. and again, wow.

'Tis just a messageboard people.

RB was not spewing anything Jen... just copied and pasted what was being said in some thread by you both. Something that was already public knowledge. All she wanted was for me to see where it was all coming from. I will not contribute to this by making her sound worse. I just pm'd back that I didn't want to read it and didnt' want to get involved in the BS. She replyed with something similar to an, "okay." However I feel this may have offended her.

My deal here is I didn't like how something was said I stated my views and she didn't like it. She doesn't have to... makes no difference to me at the end of my day.

She, you and everyone here is entitled to an opinion... Mine!

Okay KIDDING... Really... I am sorry she had a bad experience. I have had many but won't lash out at any one race or gender or generalize..but that is my choice...she has made hers known. We are both entitled to that.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-22-2007, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MyAzi

Wow RB again so defensive... I didn't realize you were so sensitive. Perhaps I should keep that in mind the next time I respond to a thread you happen to be posting in. I am not a nasty negative person who likes to attack. I think you were offended that I refused to read your PM about Jen and how your fued got started and that is part of what is going on here, As I said in my relpy I didn't want to get caught up in the BS of what was going on. I am not part of some group you call the "racist crew" and I really don't know what you mean by that. And to be honest I really don't care. I stated my view and chose to be nasty... I can live with that.

I was not offended what so ever..i said to you, not a problem, did i not? No, you don't know what i mean by the racist crew because you chose not to read what i sent...and when you made that statement about i was generalizing about mexicans, i saw into that as you too were chimming in with the racist ****. I don't start out posts with a negative...like, now look, that is an ignorant statement or wow, that is racist, so forth..so there's a few verrrrrrrrry 2 faced ppl here as i have a ton of pms that would reallllly turn some heads a spinning but i knew they couldn't be trusted..i am older and wiser and you have to get up alot earlier to fool me...but that's besides the point. HERE"S THE SOLUTION>>only post to those you like and have some kind of repore with...only post to ppl you agree with. Stop using me for a reference..put me on ignore..I do not post to ppl i do not like...or have anything what so ever in common with..or who doesn't like me or my opinions and FACTS. It's ok really it is..but when i am attacked, insulted, and get undeserved analazation, i can and will get nasty...like i said many times, but ppl seem to read what turns them on only, if i say i like mashed potatos, the response should be, I think baked are better..then we discuss why. so here's the story ending..just leave me be...the damage has been done..some get and some don't..just keep my name out of posts. I am neither defensive or sensitive...so you can refrain from trying to make yourself look good...i don't give a rats ass who likes me or does not...no one on a message board is important enough for those kinds of emotions...and if you heard my speaking voice, you would realllllllly hate me...LOL..i am verrrrrry sarcastic and bitchy...so be glad you can't hear me.

RAINBOWWAVES · 02-22-2007, 01:41 AM

Just curious but for those who live in Fl...have you not seen and heard on TV or newpapers about all the illegals here? Have you not heard of all the problems they are causing? I am not a link nut or a cc/p nut and some have a strong need to be shown proof...so if you live in Fl, you must know what i have said is true. Here's one of a ton of info on illegals.....
Illegal Immigration Costs Florida $4.3 Billion a Year, Report Says
By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
August 08, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - A report by an immigration reform group shows that illegal immigration costs the state of Florida at least $4.3 billion a year in health care, education and incarceration costs.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) predicts the state's costs of illegal immigration will increase to nearly $8 billion a year within 10 years unless it is controlled.

"Average Floridians are being asked to pay dearly for the failure of the federal government to control illegal immigration, and for a small number of business interests in the state addicted to low-wage illegal alien labor," said Dan Stein, president of FAIR, in a statement.

"The $4.3 billion being spent on illegal immigrants and their families means those resources are not available to improve and upgrade Florida's woefully overcrowded schools and overburdened public hospitals," said Stein.

"Nor are those funds available for urgent infrastructure repairs needed as a result of the succession of devastating hurricanes that ravaged the state in the last several years," Stein added.

FAIR used Census and other data to estimate the size of Florida's illegal immigrant population to be 630,000, which is larger than the populations of Tampa and St. Petersburg combined.

The costs to Floridians, according to the report, is more than $4 billion a year in providing public education to the children of illegal immigrants, about $165 million a year in non-reimbursed costs for health care, and about $155 million a year to jail illegal aliens in county and state correctional facilities.

"In reality, low-wage illegal alien labor is prohibitively expensive, when the costs of vital public services are factored into the equation," Stein saidd. "Average Floridians are being forced to subsidize illegal immigration and the burden will increase rapidly unless federal, state and local governments begin working together to stem the massive influx."

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11-06-2006, 04:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
RAINBOWWAVES Banned Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 715	Port Saint Lucie someone in citycaca wrote this about Holiday Builders and i'd like to know where in hell they get that they are builders for low income ppl? LOL...that just cracked me up! All builders have low and expensive houses...Holiday gives more footage for the money and they don't do custom. Plus i would love to know what in hell that person means by "bad" meighborhoods....John Travolta just bought some land to build a house here...so........LOL...can't be that bad! Here is the post>>>>> http://www.city-data.com/forum/showt...132#post153132 Posted by: lindalu On: 11-05-2006 01:05 PM These builders build homes for lower income families. Not poor but those who need affordable houses. The areas they build in I would never want to live in. I am a working class person too, but those neighborhoods are not the best. ************

02-18-2007, 03:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
RAINBOWWAVES Banned Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 715	Re: Port Saint Lucie now this is a house! it is just 10 mins from us.. http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/real_estat...351774,00.html

02-20-2007, 12:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
TalmudTemple Member Join Date: Jan 26th, 2007 Location: anywhere I can rake off the top ! I was talk by Ivan Boesky, Mike Milken, Jeff Skilling and many mor Posts: 148	Re: Port Saint Lucie I too have had very very good experiences with Spanish-speaking natives. They built my house's barrel tile roof, and I have never seen such a perfectionist exaample of workmanship. By the way, it seems that most Anglos thiink that all Latin workers are or Mexican origin. Here in Florida we have a very large contingent of laborers and skilled workers from Honnduras, Costa Rica, Colombia, Cuba, and of course Mexico. Only undereducated Anglos don't acknowledge diversity within similar groups of peoples. Dumb stuff, but not totally unexpected.

02-20-2007, 01:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Curious George Banned Join Date: Jan 08th, 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,025	Re: Port Saint Lucie So rocco what do you know about port saint lucie?

02-20-2007, 01:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
scirocco22 Questionable Member Join Date: Jan 22nd, 2007 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 429	Re: Port Saint Lucie lol ...ok, i get YOUR point now. You're all right , curious! --'rocco

12-12-2006, 10:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sekretgardengal Hi guys, I am here! Join Date: Nov 30th, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,114	Holiday builders aren't one of my favorites. They are throwing them up down here real fast.

12-12-2006, 12:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sekretgardengal Hi guys, I am here! Join Date: Nov 30th, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,114	That is so true. I am happy to hear that everything went smoothly with your new home. There were a few problems with some of the homes they build in Punta Gorda. People were complaining in the news paper. I see alot of their homes being built in my area and they are sitting empty. The inspectors here in Charlotte County aren't that good either. Maybe that's why the people were having problems. I dunno.

02-20-2007, 10:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Port Saint Lucie I think she misspoke, I think what she meant was Illegal labor. __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

02-21-2007, 01:28 AM	#21 (permalink)
MyAzi Slave to Sir Azi Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Location: Western Washington Posts: 1,306	Re: Port Saint Lucie First of all you said the following: "I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use Mexicans as contractors. We saw first hand with 2 new houses in my neighborhood what bad work they do and what a huge mess they make." No where did you reference the word ILLEGAL. So when you make a statement like that is makes you sound like a bigot. Note I said makes you sound like one... I am not calling you one. Let me make that clear. Secondly you are not talking to someone living under a rock where Illegal Immigration is concerned. Having lived most of my life in Southern California (Coachella Valley) where the Hispanic population is over 50% and much of that being illegal immigrants. It makes me furious that they are given work and don't pay their share of taxes. That they get benefits that my children never were able to get. HOWEVER... just because they are in this country illegally doesn't make them all thieves or lazy. I will give you that there are some that are and keep in mind that there are many Americans that fall in the same category. I have found some workers in my pool when they were supposed to be doing stucco on the house. They were not illegal. No one likes to be taken advantage of... under any circumstances by anybody. Illegal Immigration is a growing problem in this country and It is frustrating and just plain wrong. But as I quoted you above... you didn't use the word illegal and no it was not obvious. And for the record most of the illegal in FL although Hispanic are not Mexican. Most are South American. Now... why is it that you feel the need to attack and insult? I did not attack and insult you. I told you I felt that your statement was Ignorant. Not you in general. And if you feel you have the right to say what you want, then why is it that no one else can comment with their opinion..??? Wow I tell you it is good thing I don't get offended easily.... I wish you would calm down and go back to being that fun nice person posting here when we all joined. Not all of us hate you or are ganging up on you.. you need not be so defensive all the time. __________________ FEEL THE FEAR AND DO IT ANYWAY

02-21-2007, 02:51 AM	#23 (permalink)
RAINBOWWAVES Banned Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 715	Re: Port Saint Lucie "I think the biggest problem is that too many builders use ILLEGAL Mexicans as contractors, As that's all they hire!!!!!

02-21-2007, 09:28 AM	#24 (permalink)
Jenbar Banned Join Date: Feb 01st, 2007 Location: Here Posts: 595	Re: Port Saint Lucie RW: Seriously, you are just nasty. She addressed your inflammatory comments in a totally decent way - and you took it way out of bounds. She didn't deserve your lashing out in that way. ... and I just have to say, illegal or not, they are still people. The issue with your posts (other than the offensive rants you tend to go on) is that you drop all this supposed accurate information, without anything to back it up. That, compounded with your blanket generalizations, end up being totally ineffective in a discussion and offensive. If you would just calm down for a second, think about what you post, and do so - not from emotion, but based out of fact - things wouldn't get "misunderstood". (though, I firmly believe "we" are not "misunderstanding" you - in fact, I feel we are "getting" you pretty well.)

02-21-2007, 10:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Port Saint Lucie I find it somewhat odd how times have changed. When I lived in south FL, any problems were usually directed at either the Cuban immigrants or the Black/White issues. And there were problems - mainly perpetrating themselves because America of the mid-20th century didn't solve them ... or were unwilling to solve them then. To find mention of the word Mexican as a problem group surprises me a little. For a state that has overcome the influx of people from the "Narth" - i.e., New Yawkers, Steelers, Buckeyes, Jersyans and retirees of every ilk while systematically calling each group in their time "immigrants" - I never would've thought there would be a problem with people coming from Mexico. I still support the Seminole - and think they should run everybody else - and the crocs - out ... except for me and the Latvians. __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

02-21-2007, 03:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
Jenbar Banned Join Date: Feb 01st, 2007 Location: Here Posts: 595	Re: Port Saint Lucie Wow, a public confirmation of what I have suspected and has been told to me privately from other people.... Rainbow has been PMing wildly about me, trying to drum up support, and spread lies - hmmmmm?? I can guess the 3 or so that have listened to her... I would LOVE to see the crap she's spewing in those PM's. Anon status protected to whomever wants to forward some to me :) Wow. and again, wow. 'Tis just a messageboard people.

02-22-2007, 01:41 AM	#30 (permalink)
RAINBOWWAVES Banned Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 715	Re: Port Saint Lucie Just curious but for those who live in Fl...have you not seen and heard on TV or newpapers about all the illegals here? Have you not heard of all the problems they are causing? I am not a link nut or a cc/p nut and some have a strong need to be shown proof...so if you live in Fl, you must know what i have said is true. Here's one of a ton of info on illegals..... Illegal Immigration Costs Florida $4.3 Billion a Year, Report Says By Melanie Hunter CNSNews.com Senior Editor August 08, 2005 (CNSNews.com) - A report by an immigration reform group shows that illegal immigration costs the state of Florida at least $4.3 billion a year in health care, education and incarceration costs. The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) predicts the state's costs of illegal immigration will increase to nearly $8 billion a year within 10 years unless it is controlled. "Average Floridians are being asked to pay dearly for the failure of the federal government to control illegal immigration, and for a small number of business interests in the state addicted to low-wage illegal alien labor," said Dan Stein, president of FAIR, in a statement. "The $4.3 billion being spent on illegal immigrants and their families means those resources are not available to improve and upgrade Florida's woefully overcrowded schools and overburdened public hospitals," said Stein. "Nor are those funds available for urgent infrastructure repairs needed as a result of the succession of devastating hurricanes that ravaged the state in the last several years," Stein added. FAIR used Census and other data to estimate the size of Florida's illegal immigrant population to be 630,000, which is larger than the populations of Tampa and St. Petersburg combined. The costs to Floridians, according to the report, is more than $4 billion a year in providing public education to the children of illegal immigrants, about $165 million a year in non-reimbursed costs for health care, and about $155 million a year to jail illegal aliens in county and state correctional facilities. "In reality, low-wage illegal alien labor is prohibitively expensive, when the costs of vital public services are factored into the equation," Stein saidd. "Average Floridians are being forced to subsidize illegal immigration and the burden will increase rapidly unless federal, state and local governments begin working together to stem the massive influx." Subscribe to the free CNSNews.com daily E-Brief.