Hate States

[Panterro]

Originally Posted by Wyody

I'm glad you mentioned that Pan. I've been wanting to bring it up for some time - but didn't want to break your heart.
Which tells me it's nearly time to bring up an alternative forum - a forum for bashing and destroying that special state, city or town that you absolutely hate to death! That locale that is destroying your very vitality - can't get out, vortex-riddled, suck-hole of a "God, why did I ever move here"! type of place - that place where the ex lives, that place where you would, if given one great and final wish, call in the bombers!
I've got one too, Pan - and it's not even in Texas!

Before we start, let us make clear that this is YOUR personal opinion on a state, or city that you have experiance with. This is YOUR place you dislike with such a passion you must warn others about. It maybe heaven for someone else but for you it was hell. So please tell us where we should avoid.. and why.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Before we start, let us make clear that this is YOUR personal opinion on a state, or city that you have experiance with. This is YOUR place you dislike with such a passion you must warn others about. It maybe heaven for someone else but for you it was hell. So please tell us where we should avoid.. and why.

Panterro, I was actually guilty of that a couple times at C-d...I've learned that no matter where a person lives, there will be people who really like the place and of course those who disagree. What floats one person's boat may not float another's.

[Panterro]

Oh I agree, and thats why I put the little for some it was heaven but for you it was hell comment in there. this is all based on the posters review of the place, thier personal experiance.

[Curious George]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Panterro, I was actually guilty of that a couple times at C-d...I've learned that no matter where a person lives, there will be people who really like the place and of course those who disagree. What floats one person's boat may not float another's.

So what kinda boats do you like to float

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by Curious George

So what kinda boats do you like to float

Do I dare answer? Hmm...that's a loaded question!

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Before we start, let us make clear that this is YOUR personal opinion on a state, or city that you have experiance with. This is YOUR place you dislike with such a passion you must warn others about. It maybe heaven for someone else but for you it was hell. So please tell us where we should avoid.. and why.

I have doubts Pan, that it could be made to fly ... er ... float. If we were using a regular drawer-filing cabinet then, it's a folder that would be tucked behind the fat folder of good stuff. To try and throw it in the same folder isn't so hot either - but I guess that was one of the original missions of TalkStates, i.e., to be able to speak honestly about a place in order to provide a rounded overview for someone considering a relocation to that spot.
For example, I have never been a fan of El Paso ... for purely visible reasons - while you, on the other hand, have first-hand dislikes drawn from years of being right there.
I would never have advocated Evanston, Wyoming as a town to move to by choice - based on several years' experience living in and around there ... but now that I don't live there anymore, I have no problem sending throngs of folks there for a happy relocation!

note* - Pan, I wasn't really looking to start a thread on it - glad you did tho, I guess. Didn't think it would be topical ... however, I did notice over at CD that they have a similar thread for the "worst town" or some such.

[isabel]

Stockton, California...is not a place to raise kids or live. The schools are awful...my husband has to go there a lot and he says they're very scary. The city is full of gangs and gang violence. Homes are routinely broken into. Not a safe place to walk at night. Even the best side of town is minutes from a very bad neighborhood.

You certainly don't honk your horn at another driver, or even make eye contact, when someone is thumping their music so loud it rattles your car windows. They will most likely get out their car and ask you what your problem is.

Izzy

[Jenbar]

Hate is a pretty strong word for a location... haven't lived anywhere that I "hated" yet. Guess I am lucky!

[Jenbar]

I didn't love Virginia Beach, VA. though.

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by Jenbar

I didn't love Virginia Beach, VA. though.

What bad about this place?

[WendyBG]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Before we start, let us make clear that this is YOUR personal opinion on a state, or city that you have experiance with. This is YOUR place you dislike with such a passion you must warn others about. It maybe heaven for someone else but for you it was hell. So please tell us where we should avoid.. and why.

I doubt that many people will be offended, when I recommend that everyone avoid Newark, NJ.

I have already written about my experiences, in the crumbling, poisoned industrial wasteland, of Northern NJ. Newark is located squarely in the center of cancer alley.

Newark has the unhappy distinction of being one of the poorest and most crime- and disease-ridden cities, in the U.S. (though not the worst).

http://newarknj.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark,_New_Jersey

I visited Newark, inadvertently, when I took a wrong exit, off the Jersey Turnpike, in the mid-1980s. Though I grew up in Brooklyn, NY (hardly a garden spot), I was frankly terrified. The gang members, hanging out, dealing drugs, on the corners; the garbage piled up; the broken windows and trash-littered properties...Yikes! Get me out of here! It took about 15 minutes, for me to drive through Newark, and finally find an entry ramp, onto a highway...not the highway I wanted, but at least it got me out! <Whew!>

Wikipedia says that Newark had a Renaissance, in the 1990s, so maybe I am being unfair. Also, I have never been to the other crime-ridden cities (I have only visited the tourist parts of D.C., and never to Detroit, etc.).

Of the cities that I have visited, Newark is the worst.

Wendy

[scirocco22]

I agree with Wendy. Although I've never lived in Newark, it's the ugliest city I've visited. The only place I've truly felt uncomfortable.

With that said, I've not been to a lot of cities that typically have bad reputations.

--'rocco

[Jenbar]

VA Beach is great for visiting the beach as a tourist, but if you live there, it basically is a waste. The whole place near shuts down in the winter time. It's not designed to be liveable in the summer (too much tourist traffic), and the military factor is too high. Add to that, a few good ole boy rednecks left over from when it was farm country, no large businesses to support a decent economy, or rather, to provide white collar jobs and it's basically an all out mess.

[Panterro]

El Paso Texas, for me is a place I dont desire to live in. Growing up here, I recall a much differant place. A place I would call home, but now the city has become border trash.

There was a time when Mexico and El Paso offered each other the best of themselves, and the cultures thrived, now that is not the case. Now they seem to offer only the worst. I have many hispanic friends, and they will tell you as I will that the state of the area has declined.

The city breeds mediocrity.

People scream they want something and when it is deliverd they fail to support it. Rock concerts and the like skip past El Paso for this very reason.

It has gotten so bad here to work at the McDonlads you have to speak spanish... no jobs pay a living wage here, most people in high paying jobs here are paid far less than they would be else where in th country. We have a growing crime problem, and it will get worse as the CAV ( military ) come. The city is and will not be prepaired for the sheer numbers of them. I am sure in the long run 5-10 years down the road the city will begin to benefit from the growth due to the militray expansion here, but at first there will be much chaos. Bar fights will rise due to the new population of soldiers to civies ratio.. As a former security/police officer on post, I can tell you from first hand knowlegde how bad it will be, and how bad it has been. And that was with a small margin of new soldiers here a year before being sent over to IRAQ. When the full brunt of them start to flow in this cities traffic, and schools will all suffer. Crime will rise, and there will be a time of unbalance as the city and the military find thier footing.

The city is growing.. I have seen many white people pack up and leave, many I know due to the border being over run. I know of 2 displaced black families from New Orleans that has packed and left here saying they would rather live in a cess pool than live in El Paso. That says something about the city.

Dont get me wrong El Paso is home for me, I was born and raised here. I will miss the mountains, I will miss the really huge flag that flys not to far from my home I wake to see each day. I will miss some of the people, And the poppies in the spring. But there is far more I wont miss, and know that unless someone pulls the collective head out of the collective ass here, this city is headed to a very bad place. The climate is not bad either.. but I like a lil more rain and a lot less sandstorms.

If you like the color brown... brown grass, brown water, brown dirt, brown people, brown everything then El Paso is the place for you.

I like green. Green grass, Green trees, green people. ( im irish after all ). I like rain, and life.. and El Paso, just doesn't seem to offer that.

But if I was to keep this simple.. this is why I dislike El Paso TX..

The city breeds mediocrity.

me·di·oc·ri·ty /ˌmidiˈɒkrɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-ok-ri-tee]
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the state or quality of being mediocre.
2. mediocre ability or accomplishment.
3. a mediocre person.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
me·di·o·cre /ˌmidiˈoʊkər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-oh-ker]
–adjective
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.

[washington native]

Originally Posted by Panterro

El Paso Texas, for me is a place I dont desire to live in. Growing up here, I recall a much differant place. A place I would call home, but now the city has become border trash.

There was a time when Mexico and El Paso offered each other the best of themselves, and the cultures thrived, now that is not the case. Now they seem to offer only the worst. I have many hispanic friends, and they will tell you as I will that the state of the area has declined.

The city breeds mediocrity.

People scream they want something and when it is deliverd they fail to support it. Rock concerts and the like skip past El Paso for this very reason.

It has gotten so bad here to work at the McDonlads you have to speak spanish... no jobs pay a living wage here, most people in high paying jobs here are paid far less than they would be else where in th country. We have a growing crime problem, and it will get worse as the CAV ( military ) come. The city is and will not be prepaired for the sheer numbers of them. I am sure in the long run 5-10 years down the road the city will begin to benefit from the growth due to the militray expansion here, but at first there will be much chaos. Bar fights will rise due to the new population of soldiers to civies ratio.. As a former security/police officer on post, I can tell you from first hand knowlegde how bad it will be, and how bad it has been. And that was with a small margin of new soldiers here a year before being sent over to IRAQ. When the full brunt of them start to flow in this cities traffic, and schools will all suffer. Crime will rise, and there will be a time of unbalance as the city and the military find thier footing.

The city is growing.. I have seen many white people pack up and leave, many I know due to the border being over run. I know of 2 displaced black families from New Orleans that has packed and left here saying they would rather live in a cess pool than live in El Paso. That says something about the city.

Dont get me wrong El Paso is home for me, I was born and raised here. I will miss the mountains, I will miss the really huge flag that flys not to far from my home I wake to see each day. I will miss some of the people, And the poppies in the spring. But there is far more I wont miss, and know that unless someone pulls the collective head out of the collective ass here, this city is headed to a very bad place. The climate is not bad either.. but I like a lil more rain and a lot less sandstorms.

If you like the color brown... brown grass, brown water, brown dirt, brown people, brown everything then El Paso is the place for you.

I like green. Green grass, Green trees, green people. ( im irish after all ). I like rain, and life.. and El Paso, just doesn't seem to offer that.

But if I was to keep this simple.. this is why I dislike El Paso TX..

The city breeds mediocrity.

me·di·oc·ri·ty /ˌmidiˈɒkrɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-ok-ri-tee]
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the state or quality of being mediocre.
2. mediocre ability or accomplishment.
3. a mediocre person.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
me·di·o·cre /ˌmidiˈoʊkər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-oh-ker]
–adjective
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.

you are such a god damned bigot it's sickening.

[the dufferz]

Native, do you ever sleep?

I think you established your feelings that the Pan hates gays very clearly yesterday. If you wish to continue to establish this idea, please use the vent forum for this topic, otherwise it looks like you are just trying to start a fight.

I would be interested to learn what posts he made that support your point of view in that I have not read any of the threads Pan made regarding Gays.

THE dufferz

[scirocco22]

Athough that particular post didn't have anything to do with gays, I agree with WaNa's assessment. That post was veiled in bigotry ...and in parts, not so veiled, pretty much right out there.

As for the author's stance on gays, some interesting thoughts have been expressed. It makes for some intriguing reading.

As for the vent forum being the appropriate place to discuss such matters, probably so.

--'rocco

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by scirocco22

Athough that particular post didn't have anything to do with gays, I agree with WaNa's assessment. That post was veiled in bigotry ...and in parts, not so veiled, pretty much right out there.

As for the author's stance on gays, some interesting thoughts have been expressed. It makes for some intriguing reading.

As for the vent forum being the appropriate place to discuss such matters, probably so.

--'rocco

Certainly good to hear from you ~rocco! Where is that thread located? Yes, I'm too lazy (the official excuse is busy) to hunt it down.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by scirocco22

Athough that particular post didn't have anything to do with gays, I agree with WaNa's assessment. That post was veiled in bigotry ...and in parts, not so veiled, pretty much right out there.

As for the author's stance on gays, some interesting thoughts have been expressed. It makes for some intriguing reading.

As for the vent forum being the appropriate place to discuss such matters, probably so.

--'rocco

I'm not sure I agree that it's veiled in bigotry. When a person is in the minority - and unhappy about it - is it bigotry? Even if it is, I see where he's coming from.
Hope this isn't one of those things that's gonna show that we all are bigots whether we wanna be or not ... like the racist experiment.
Oh, Duff - just scroll up - it's contained in the dissertation re: El Paso.

[isabel]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

Certainly good to hear from you ~rocco! Where is that thread located? Yes, I'm too lazy (the official excuse is busy) to hunt it down.

Here it is Dufferz. Number 6 on the thread.

http://www.talkstates.com/forum/comm...ing-media.html

Izzy

[isabel]

Hummmmm. This is a dam if you do...dam if you don't subject now. Pan expressed his views...even if you don't like his view...he presented it in a calm fashion and was true to his thoughts. He didn't say what "He thought you wanted to hear" or what is "politically correct". But what he was honestly thinking and feeling.

Several posters do it here without restraint of any kind. Yet they see someone else doing it as a crime. That's the kitchen pot, calling the kitchen kettle black. I honestly didn't take offense with Pans first couple of post in the gay bashing section..."to each their own thoughts on the subject". But I think he was jabbed at by several following post and those posts did not contribute any real info to the thread they were meant to do just that. Make Pan defensive and angry. Un called for. A quote from pan:

[quote] I love how some of you pull one small part form a whole topic or post and fixate on it, and then try to use it against the person like a dagger seeking its target. Normaly this is done when you feel your loosing an argument or feel you have nothing else to contribute, so you resort to these tactics as a way to draw the other person into a conflict... something you can win. [end quote]

I think he was correct in his post above. I for one am getting sick of dancing around the daggers.

Sorry, I forgot to breathe.

Izzy

[the dufferz]

K, I read it. I will start a new thread in vent about this with some observations.

[isabel]

Forgot to say....I'm an artist...in my profession I often work with gay people. I like them and feel very comfortable around them. As far as Pan mentioning his feelings about the hispanic aspect of El Paso. I was looking at Texas at one point to move too. And on another site was told that unless I speak spanish and my children speak spanish...I would have a very hard time there and so would my children in school. How is that any different from saying if I move to france and don't speak french I will have a hard time.

Izzy

[Panterro]

You know your right I maybe a bigot.. I dont hate anyone or anything. I at times get angry about things, may disapprove of ones actions, or dislike them for one reason or another. But I dont hate. I may of said I hate El Paso at one time or another, but that was me expressing my frustrations, and not a true feeling of hate. I mention that because someone here will try to pull up from someplace on the web where I may of said I hate El Paso, and use it to call me a liar.

FOR THE RECORD: I dont hate Gay people, I have 3 gay friends, Nickolace, Jeff, and Steven... to name them. Jeff is the guy that does my Aunts nails, tells the best gay jokes.. he and I hang out from time to time. Nick, I worked with at the Inn, he was the duty driver there, that picked up people from the airport and would bring them to the Inn.. he and hit the clubs together. Steven is a guy I went to school with, and he and I have been friends since the 4th grade. He came out to me while he was in High School. So as I have said I may not approve of the gay life style, I would never infringe my beliefes on them. I dont feel its natural, I think men and women are meant to procreate... and gays can not do that. Yes they can adopt and I encourage them to do so. But since I am not a Christian, I dont struggle with any religious problems with gay people.

Now you have all said I am a gay basher.. in regaurds to a gay hasseling me in a bar that I clearly said NO too comment. Lets make this clear if it was anyone pestering me that I made clear to leave me alone, and they refused, I maybe driven to the point of physical violence.. to get them to leave me alone. Its just who I am... it would not matter if they were gay straight pink, purple, or blue.

I hope that clear that up.

As for El Paso, I am more frustrated with this city than anything.. In my own opinion, it has not changed for the better. only for the worse.

[Jenbar]

Duff, For the record, after you visit the post that 'rocco linked, please then visit the poll Rod created, regarding Violence in the forums - as it's directly related.

Had no idea this was going on here - but have to agree with WaNa, that Pan is a bigot of epic preportions, and his responses ooze with that fact. This determination is taken from this thread, the Are you Black Too thread, Mexico post by TS, and the gay bashing thread... amongst that, his other comments here and there about wanting to live in an "all white" area...

Is it even necessary to bring up his most recent inflammatory statements regarding cognitively disabled individuals?

It would take too long to search out, and link to everything... but when someone like Pan, who is equally as guilty of perpetrating and participating in the drama, as I am - I have had the misfortune of witnessing most of these comments as they happened. It's gross.

[Panterro]

Yes she is right, I must hate anything not white. I must want all retarded babies to be put to death like they did in the mid-evil times, I must want all gays beaten and bruised. Yes I must want Mexicans to be sent back to mexico illegal or not.. yes I must be the biggest biggot of all times. I should start my own militia and arm them and head out into the world and make sure these factors are put into action.

What a load of crap. Jen, your lucky your hate and violent speech was deleted from the forums so I have nothing to link back too and show how much a bigot you truely are. I think your reflections on me are really on your own hang ups.

You even have Mods PMing me asking me to back off of you because of it.. but I just cant seem to do it. I cant sit by and watch you accuse me of such slanderous remarks.

I have not threated violance on any member of this forum.. I even explained to rocco I believe it was on my statements that may of been of a violent nature.. so you have no basis for your claims, only your own twisted view of the world and all that is me, and you dont even know me. You constantly start crap with anyone on here that does not share your own views. I dont know when enough is enough.. for these forums, but I hope its soon, because if this keeps up.. I will be forced to leave here once and for all.. give up and let you win. I just dont have it in me to argue and fight with you all the time. And I cant ignore you.. your whiney voice is like nails on a chalk board.. it breaks though all my attempts to igore you. So Admin, mods, I am aking in the open for all to see.. ADMIN, MODS, please deal with this. This has gone on long enough.

[Wyody]

I'm with you Pan. It doesn't matter to me if you is or if you ain't a whatever. It's your right - and if it gets out of bounds you'd be called on it.
What I don't understand is how someone could have so much time on their hands that they dive in looking for stuff that is inconsequential to blow smoke about.
Hateful, trashy nonsense. The stuff pre-teens are made of. The stuff hate-mongers are made of.
I have not found you, Pan, to be a propogator of any ill-intended ideals nor have I found you out of bounds while stating your mind and your opinion. It's not that kind of forum ... yet.
But like IZZY, I've grown real tired of some of the trashy pervs that seem to keep dropping in - like green flies.
Pizza?

[Jenbar]

Jen, your lucky your hate and violent speech was deleted from the forums so I have nothing to link back too and show how much a bigot you truely are.

It wasn't deleted, it was moved... and plenty had a chance to see the pure nastiness that YOU started with ME, regarding your purely hypothetical view of my looks, my parenting, and your atrocious comments regarding my disabled child and my other children.

*I* didn't ask anyone to contact you regarding your behavior. He did so on his own accord because he SAW what was said, and clearly didn't agree with where the thread had gone, and was headed.

[Jenbar]