Politics

**NHYRNUT** · 04-05-2007, 09:56 PM

This is a cool little site. I guess we don't know till we vote. But How many vote on the enemy when they know no better? http://WWW.SELECTSMART.COM/PLUS/SELE...08FRONTRUNNERS Right column bottom 2008 presidential candidates.

**kimbercuddles** · 04-05-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NHYRNUT

This is a cool little site. I guess we don't know till we vote. But How many vote on the enemy when they know no better? http://WWW.SELECTSMART.COM/PLUS/SELE...08FRONTRUNNERS Right column bottom 2008 presidential candidates.

Great site, Wirenut. I saw interviews with Giuliani and Romney within the last few days. Was impressed with both. I also heard Fred Thompson may be running, also. Going to have to do some research. IT'S LESS THAN TWO YEARS AWAY, NOW!!

Hurry!

**NHYRNUT** · 04-05-2007, 10:19 PM

OK I must say CAREFUL with Mitt he flips worse than Kerry ever did. Look at his Record as Governor and what he pushed for and stood for. He has changed his Views on 3 major issues sense he started considering a run for president. Gay rights, Gun control, and Abortion have all changed 180 degrees sense he started thinking off running. After meeting him a couple months ago at a fundraiser here in NH I must say he reminded me of Kerry. Say what it takes to get office. Flip and Flop. This is not a man of his word. Again look at his record it speaks for itself. Where he truly stands is in his record of the past 4 years alone. What he says now are 2 different things. You don't change your mind on Major issues overnight without a agenda. And that means you didn't actually change your standing, you changed what you say so you are more accepted, by the people you want to vote for you.

**kimbercuddles** · 04-05-2007, 10:34 PM

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OK I must say CAREFUL with Mitt he flips worse than Kerry ever did. Look at his Record as Governor and what he pushed for and stood for. He has changed his Views on 3 major issues sense he started considering a run for president. Gay rights, Gun control, and Abortion have all changed 180 degrees sense he started thinking off running. After meeting him a couple months ago at a fundraiser here in NH I must say he reminded me of Kerry. Say what it takes to get office. Flip and Flop. This is not a man of his word. Again look at his record it speaks for itself. Where he truly stands is in his record of the past 4 years alone. What he says now are 2 different things. You don't change your mind on Major issues overnight without a agenda. And that means you didn't actually change your standing, you changed what you say so you are more accepted, by the people you want to vote for you.

Wow...I appreciate the info, Wirenut, and I definitely don't want a flip-flopper. Another reason I wouldn't even entertain the thought of voting for Billary. Voting records are incredibly important...especially because I want to believe everything people say. One thing that Romney said that I would love to see is a line item veto. Why don't we have that?

Awhile back, you were talking about Huckabee. Still think he may have a chance? What do you personally think about Brownback and Newt? Newt has made some personal mistakes, definitely, but he impresses me with his knowledge and reasoning.

**isabel** · 04-05-2007, 10:49 PM

Hey Nhyrnut,

Did you know Mitt is LDS? Based on church beliefs his position on Gay rights...should be it is a sin...Gun control...well there are a lot of naturalist in the church and many still hunt...yet violence is big time frowned upon. Abortion...his position should be pro life according to the church beliefs. Not saying I agree with all that...and maybe he doesn't either. Free agency is always mentioned in church as a constant and every persons right. Although you can't get a temple recommend if you have ever had anything to do with an Abortion......or gay behavior. Or if you are currently Drinking...smoking...drinking coffee or tea. Don't want to offend anyone just saying that he has all those factors in his life being a lds family man. As far as the man himself...I know very little. But I do know lds and what it means in a person's life.:)

Izzy

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**Wyody** · 04-05-2007, 11:22 PM

Mitt Romney? Just say NO!

Why, you ask. Here's why:

You look at the guy - nice looking, gray-trimmed, honest-Abe, family man, for all seasons (hey, did you know he's only been hunting twice in his whole life? once as a kid?) - in short, almost everything you could ask for in a "front-man". He could do the Insurance commercial ... and be the agent! He could do the dog-food commercial ... and be the vet! He could do the skin-care commercial and be the cosmotologist ... this guy could be anymost everything we're looking for ... except he ain't Ron. He's not the total package. No "Knute Rockne" in his background. No navy movie. No chimp!
Add to this how so unlike Steve Martin Mitt Romney really is. Can you even imagine Mitt Romney as The Jerk? And how unlike Jackie Gleason - no, "To the Moon, Alice" from Mitt. In short, Mitt comes up short in having a weird side - and that's the problem with the easy-going, all-attentive, all-american boy type ... you can't see their weird side .....
... but you know it's there!

**kimbercuddles** · 04-05-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

Hey Nhyrnut,

Did you know Mitt is LDS? Based on church beliefs his position on Gay rights...should be it is a sin...Gun control...well there are a lot of naturalist in the church and many still hunt...yet violence is big time frowned upon. Abortion...his position should be pro life according to the church beliefs. Not saying I agree with all that...and maybe he doesn't either. Free agency is always mentioned in church as a constant and every persons right. Although you can't get a temple recommend if you have ever had anything to do with an Abortion......or gay behavior. Or if you are currently Drinking...smoking...drinking coffee or tea. Don't want to offend anyone just saying that he has all those factors in his life being a lds family man. As far as the man himself...I know very little. But I do know lds and what it means in a person's life.:)

Izzy

edited a second time.

My ex's sister married a Mormon and I found out a LOT about them. They are good people, I just don't agree with some of their ways. Very family-oriented, which is wonderful these days.

**NHYRNUT** · 04-05-2007, 11:34 PM

Yes I knew he was LDS. But that has nothing to do with the presidential run. I personally don't care if he is atheist. I just know what he says and what he does are 2 different things. And he actually made me feel like I was talking to Kerry. Flipped and flopped. Kerry hunted too. NOT. lol His staff says he only hunted 2 times he says many more times.

He was never a member of the NRA til recently. Actually he was one of the major pursuers of the law suit against the gun manufacturers. That was reported by His own state news. I am lucky enough to get the Mass News here. I just Don't think he means what he says and his record proves that. LDS don't mean your honest all the time. Positions of power do funny things.

**kimbercuddles** · 04-05-2007, 11:39 PM

In short, Mitt comes up short in having a weird side - and that's the problem with the easy-going, all-attentive, all-american boy type ... you can't see their weird side ........ but you know it's there!

Hmmm, Odie...you seem to know an awful lot about this 'weird side'....are you speaking from experience?

**NHYRNUT** · 04-05-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Awhile back, you were talking about Huckabee. Still think he may have a chance? What do you personally think about Brownback and Newt? Newt has made some personal mistakes, definitely, but he impresses me with his knowledge and reasoning.

I still like Huckabee. Ya he has a chance. Look at Billy his first run. Alot of talk about him here. Wont win NH but that is a good thing. It has been a Very long time sense someone won NH and took the presidency. So I hope he don't win NH. LOL Not sure about Brownback. I have a friend that met him last month says he is a Neo-con to the extreme. But I didn't so I can't really speak of him in a fair manner. As far as Newt. He is a nice guy in person and strikes me as a straight shooter. Ya he has had problems in the past but what president didn't? I would consider Newt if Huckabee dropped out. But as of Now Huckabee has my vote. Funny By the link he only matched me with 71% with 4 others above him I just have met the others as well and I don't personally like them. For 1 reason or another.

**isabel** · 04-05-2007, 11:48 PM

Can you imagine saying "President Huckabee":) Sorry, know nothing of the man...just struck me as funny.

Izzy

**NHYRNUT** · 04-05-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

Can you imagine saying "President Huckabee":) Sorry, know nothing of the man...just struck me as funny.

Izzy

Ya that would be a mouthful. LOL Did you check out the link? I had ! show-up as a 100% match that is scarry.

**kimbercuddles** · 04-06-2007, 12:16 AM

That site is extremely informative...I like it. The bottom line is that I would sacrifice some of my stances if the person I were voting for supported my priorities. Obama was at about 11% on my list...so he's out.

Seriously, though...didn't Reagan try to do the line item veto and it was vetoed?

Wouldn't it save a bundle of funds by letting the President do that? What are the con's?

p.s. Now I see what you are saying about Mitt...

**Wyody** · 04-06-2007, 02:35 PM

So, the "quiz" puts me 100% with Obama-dama. Not thrilled with that - as the questions were so ... what's the word, AZI? ... yeah, weird!!
I mean, that pup still needs swatted around the cage for a few more years, know whut I mean?
It did add Mitt to the pic though. The second "R" after every other "D".

**the dufferz** · 04-07-2007, 01:42 AM

Shucks,

my guy isn't even on the list.

I'm a "Fred head" as of now.

**NHYRNUT** · 04-07-2007, 06:21 PM

The Texan or the Blind? Just curious as to which you mean.

**Wyody** · 04-07-2007, 11:23 PM

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The Texan or the Blind? Just curious as to which you mean.

'Scuse please - I just wonder who you're quoting?

**kimbercuddles** · 04-08-2007, 01:32 AM

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Shucks,

my guy isn't even on the list.

I'm a "Fred head" as of now.

Duff, are you talking about Fred Thompson?

**NHYRNUT** · 04-08-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyody

'Scuse please - I just wonder who you're quoting?

Dufferz There is a Texas politician and A Person that writes stuff for the blind. Both go by the name Fred Head. LOL I am sure he meant someone else but have to ask. lol

**PDXnative** · 04-08-2007, 06:41 PM

At least his name isn't Richard Head.......

**kimbercuddles** · 04-08-2007, 08:45 PM

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At least his name isn't Richard Head.......

Harold Richard Head might even be worse.

You know, it's actually a little confusing...I've seen Tommy Thompson who might be running for President and then there is also Fred Thompson who seems to be contemplating the long journey, also. Fred is the actor from Law and Order isn't he?

**Wyody** · 04-09-2007, 12:30 AM

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Harold Richard Head might even be worse.

You know, it's actually a little confusing...I've seen Tommy Thompson who might be running for President and then there is also Fred Thompson who seems to be contemplating the long journey, also. Fred is the actor from Law and Order isn't he?

Before his career as an actor, Fred toured the soft and zany underbelly of life by plying his talents at political office - that being the Senate of this fair land. From the state of Tennessee. A well liked one. Popular. 1994-2003.
He started acting in the later '70's.
I figure just by looking at him that he's got a flaw - one carried by many of the current crop of viable candidates and that flaw is - he's just too dang old.
Sorry. I know we need mature - but there's just something about someone in that age-range that seems okay straight off but four and five years into office, they reach that "out of touch" age - ... "dang it, quick-as-a-whip but just one-step off the porch" - age. No longer the brightest pea in the patch.
That's scary. Sort of reminds me of current president.
If we keep working these actors over - remaking them as politicians - I can see a day when every man, woman and child in the US of A will have a guaranteed 15-minutes of fame ... van comes by ... government-seal ... cameras ... broadcast to the 5 billion TV sets ... fame. I've decided I'm waiting for a football player. Quarterback, preferably. Tired of voting for lawyers and actors.

**the dufferz** · 04-09-2007, 01:38 PM

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Duff, are you talking about Fred Thompson?

Indeed, that is the new term I heard for people wanting Fred Thompson to run for President. I am not taken by any candidate at this time on the Republican side, and Fred sounds better than them all.

It is working up to be a really crappy presidential race if all of the players who are in the barn remain the only players. This is true on both sides of the isle.

Obama and Clinton... eek. Obama as the voice but absolutely no experiance and combined with his young age, ain't gunna happen. Clinton has the voice (that can sink 1000 ships) and has too much experiance (of the wrong kind).

All of the republicans..... BORING as all get out and mostly you see them trying to say the right thing to the "right", but their track record shows different.

WILD CARD: it is rumored that Al Gore may run as the Green candidate. If that is the case, he will suck so many voters away from the democratic party.... it just won't matter which republican runs.

It's waaaay to early for all of this political stuff and to have there be a confirmed candidate 16-18 months prior to the election... voter fatigue will show itself very early.

The dufferz

**kimbercuddles** · 04-09-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyody

Before his career as an actor, Fred toured the soft and zany underbelly of life by plying his talents at political office - that being the Senate of this fair land. From the state of Tennessee. A well liked one. Popular. 1994-2003.
He started acting in the later '70's.
I figure just by looking at him that he's got a flaw - one carried by many of the current crop of viable candidates and that flaw is - he's just too dang old.
Sorry. I know we need mature - but there's just something about someone in that age-range that seems okay straight off but four and five years into office, they reach that "out of touch" age - ... "dang it, quick-as-a-whip but just one-step off the porch" - age. No longer the brightest pea in the patch.
That's scary. Sort of reminds me of current president.
If we keep working these actors over - remaking them as politicians - I can see a day when every man, woman and child in the US of A will have a guaranteed 15-minutes of fame ... van comes by ... government-seal ... cameras ... broadcast to the 5 billion TV sets ... fame. I've decided I'm waiting for a football player. Quarterback, preferably. Tired of voting for lawyers and actors.

C'mon, Odie...age expectancy has risen a few years, it's all good.

80 years old is the new 50! A quarterback, eh? What is Troy Aikman up to these days?

**Wyody** · 04-09-2007, 05:47 PM

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C'mon, Odie...age expectancy has risen a few years, it's all good.

80 years old is the new 50! A quarterback, eh? What is Troy Aikman up to these days?

Hmmm. Spoken by someone who seems to be under 50. You don't know! You don't know! And we can't tell ya!

Now, almost everybody knows that Aikman played for Dallas - and simply everybody knows they haven't had a quarterback since Stabaugh! So, no, not Aikman. Let's see, not Kemp fer sure. I'm not sure I could come up with a quarterback with credentials. Okay, maybe a flanker? No linemen, please.

Curious George · 04-09-2007, 05:58 PM

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Hmmm. Spoken by someone who seems to be under 50. You don't know! You don't know! And we can't tell ya!

Now, almost everybody knows that Aikman played for Dallas - and simply everybody knows they haven't had a quarterback since Stabaugh! So, no, not Aikman. Let's see, not Kemp fer sure. I'm not sure I could come up with a quarterback with credentials. Okay, maybe a flanker? No linemen, please.

It would of been interesting to see just how good aikman was had he not been on a buy a supper bowl win type of team .

**kimbercuddles** · 04-09-2007, 08:26 PM

Great things come from Texas...I'm a believer!! Kidding about Aikman...he's not quite a Bret Favre! Curious, don't make me fight you regarding Aikman...I'm a true Dallas fan; Vikings first, but they've been disappointing the last few years.

Odie, I'm not 50, but I'm old enough to have a bit of experience to know who's worthwhile. I wonder if Ross Perot is still around these days?!? Dan Marino also seems to have a good head on his shoulders...he's not quite 60, right? Anyone but Sean Penn or Rosie...you think our country is a little messed up now?

Curious George · 04-09-2007, 09:59 PM

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Great things come from Texas...I'm a believer!! Kidding about Aikman...he's not quite a Bret Favre! Curious, don't make me fight you regarding Aikman...I'm a true Dallas fan; Vikings first, but they've been disappointing the last few years.

Odie, I'm not 50, but I'm old enough to have a bit of experience to know who's worthwhile. I wonder if Ross Perot is still around these days?!? Dan Marino also seems to have a good head on his shoulders...he's not quite 60, right? Anyone but Sean Penn or Rosie...you think our country is a little messed up now?

The vikes haven’t had a good QB since Fran the man or Tommie crammer an have sucked since the early 80’s

Dallas on the other hand like the 49’rs bought there supper bowls all before the salary cap .
Bring back roger an a few others from back then they wear players.

I vote Arnold for pres

**kimbercuddles** · 04-09-2007, 10:05 PM

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The vikes haven’t had a good QB since Fran the man or Tommie crammer an have sucked since the early 80’s

Dallies on the other hand like the 49’rs bought there supper bowls all before the salary cap .
Bring back roger an a few others from back then they wear players.

I vote Arnold for pres

04-05-2007, 09:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
NHYRNUT Pain at it's best Join Date: Dec 23rd, 2006 Location: NH Posts: 516	Politics This is a cool little site. I guess we don't know till we vote. But How many vote on the enemy when they know no better? http://WWW.SELECTSMART.COM/PLUS/SELE...08FRONTRUNNERS Right column bottom 2008 presidential candidates.

04-05-2007, 10:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
NHYRNUT Pain at it's best Join Date: Dec 23rd, 2006 Location: NH Posts: 516	Re: Politics OK I must say CAREFUL with Mitt he flips worse than Kerry ever did. Look at his Record as Governor and what he pushed for and stood for. He has changed his Views on 3 major issues sense he started considering a run for president. Gay rights, Gun control, and Abortion have all changed 180 degrees sense he started thinking off running. After meeting him a couple months ago at a fundraiser here in NH I must say he reminded me of Kerry. Say what it takes to get office. Flip and Flop. This is not a man of his word. Again look at his record it speaks for itself. Where he truly stands is in his record of the past 4 years alone. What he says now are 2 different things. You don't change your mind on Major issues overnight without a agenda. And that means you didn't actually change your standing, you changed what you say so you are more accepted, by the people you want to vote for you.

04-05-2007, 10:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: Politics Hey Nhyrnut, Did you know Mitt is LDS? Based on church beliefs his position on Gay rights...should be it is a sin...Gun control...well there are a lot of naturalist in the church and many still hunt...yet violence is big time frowned upon. Abortion...his position should be pro life according to the church beliefs. Not saying I agree with all that...and maybe he doesn't either. Free agency is always mentioned in church as a constant and every persons right. Although you can't get a temple recommend if you have ever had anything to do with an Abortion......or gay behavior. Or if you are currently Drinking...smoking...drinking coffee or tea. Don't want to offend anyone just saying that he has all those factors in his life being a lds family man. As far as the man himself...I know very little. But I do know lds and what it means in a person's life.:) Izzy edited a second time. __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

04-05-2007, 11:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Politics Mitt Romney? Just say NO! Why, you ask. Here's why: You look at the guy - nice looking, gray-trimmed, honest-Abe, family man, for all seasons (hey, did you know he's only been hunting twice in his whole life? once as a kid?) - in short, almost everything you could ask for in a "front-man". He could do the Insurance commercial ... and be the agent! He could do the dog-food commercial ... and be the vet! He could do the skin-care commercial and be the cosmotologist ... this guy could be anymost everything we're looking for ... except he ain't Ron. He's not the total package. No "Knute Rockne" in his background. No navy movie. No chimp! Add to this how so unlike Steve Martin Mitt Romney really is. Can you even imagine Mitt Romney as The Jerk? And how unlike Jackie Gleason - no, "To the Moon, Alice" from Mitt. In short, Mitt comes up short in having a weird side - and that's the problem with the easy-going, all-attentive, all-american boy type ... you can't see their weird side ..... ... but you know it's there! __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

04-05-2007, 11:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
NHYRNUT Pain at it's best Join Date: Dec 23rd, 2006 Location: NH Posts: 516	Re: Politics Yes I knew he was LDS. But that has nothing to do with the presidential run. I personally don't care if he is atheist. I just know what he says and what he does are 2 different things. And he actually made me feel like I was talking to Kerry. Flipped and flopped. Kerry hunted too. NOT. lol His staff says he only hunted 2 times he says many more times. He was never a member of the NRA til recently. Actually he was one of the major pursuers of the law suit against the gun manufacturers. That was reported by His own state news. I am lucky enough to get the Mass News here. I just Don't think he means what he says and his record proves that. LDS don't mean your honest all the time. Positions of power do funny things.

04-05-2007, 11:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
kimbercuddles Cheery Chick Join Date: Jan 02nd, 2007 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 1,089	Re: Politics In short, Mitt comes up short in having a weird side - and that's the problem with the easy-going, all-attentive, all-american boy type ... you can't see their weird side ........ but you know it's there! Hmmm, Odie...you seem to know an awful lot about this 'weird side'....are you speaking from experience? __________________ Real generosity is doing something nice for someone who will never find it out.

04-05-2007, 11:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: Politics Can you imagine saying "President Huckabee":) Sorry, know nothing of the man...just struck me as funny. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

04-06-2007, 12:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
kimbercuddles Cheery Chick Join Date: Jan 02nd, 2007 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 1,089	Re: Politics That site is extremely informative...I like it. The bottom line is that I would sacrifice some of my stances if the person I were voting for supported my priorities. Obama was at about 11% on my list...so he's out. Seriously, though...didn't Reagan try to do the line item veto and it was vetoed? Wouldn't it save a bundle of funds by letting the President do that? What are the con's? p.s. Now I see what you are saying about Mitt... __________________ Real generosity is doing something nice for someone who will never find it out.

04-06-2007, 02:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Politics So, the "quiz" puts me 100% with Obama-dama. Not thrilled with that - as the questions were so ... what's the word, AZI? ... yeah, weird!! I mean, that pup still needs swatted around the cage for a few more years, know whut I mean? It did add Mitt to the pic though. The second "R" after every other "D". __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

04-07-2007, 01:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
the dufferz Duff man! Join Date: Jan 04th, 2007 Location: Bothell, Washington Posts: 1,316	Re: Politics Shucks, my guy isn't even on the list. I'm a "Fred head" as of now. __________________ "Who am I and what am I doing here?" - James stockdale, Ross Perrot VP candidate, VP debate, 1992. My favorite political statement.

04-07-2007, 06:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
NHYRNUT Pain at it's best Join Date: Dec 23rd, 2006 Location: NH Posts: 516	Re: Politics The Texan or the Blind? Just curious as to which you mean.

04-08-2007, 06:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
PDXnative Omnipotent Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Posts: 1,823	Re: Politics At least his name isn't Richard Head....... __________________ Where are we going, and why am I in this hand basket???

04-09-2007, 08:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
kimbercuddles Cheery Chick Join Date: Jan 02nd, 2007 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 1,089	Re: Politics Great things come from Texas...I'm a believer!! Kidding about Aikman...he's not quite a Bret Favre! Curious, don't make me fight you regarding Aikman...I'm a true Dallas fan; Vikings first, but they've been disappointing the last few years. Odie, I'm not 50, but I'm old enough to have a bit of experience to know who's worthwhile. I wonder if Ross Perot is still around these days?!? Dan Marino also seems to have a good head on his shoulders...he's not quite 60, right? Anyone but Sean Penn or Rosie...you think our country is a little messed up now? __________________ Real generosity is doing something nice for someone who will never find it out.