stopping the flow of illegals

[catfish]

We've been hearing rhetoric about stopping the flow of illegals from
Mexico forever. We've got money after money going to Israel, the Iraq
war, LOANS to Mexico, etc. etc. but the border patrol efforts always
seem to be underfunded and only marginally effective. Mexicans are
openly and defiantly marching in the streets asserting their "right"
to be here, regardless of how they got here.

What measures would it realistically take to shut down the border,
period? Further what measures would it realistically take to round 'em
all up and toss 'em back? Why hasn't it been done?

Supposedly there was a big crackdown initiated some months back, get-
tough policies on employers of illegals. So, how's that working out?

What do you think of the "New World Order" theories, that there are
those who are pulling the strings who are making sure that the above
is never really done, that they want all of N. America to be as one
and dissolve the borders and that all the politicians rhetoric is just
that?

I recall hearing John McCain say that he's not going to tell an
American soldier that his mother is being deported.

[Senor Member]

Originally Posted by catfish

What measures would it realistically take to shut down the border,
period? Further what measures would it realistically take to round 'em
all up and toss 'em back? Why hasn't it been done?

Well, illegal migrants help lots of American businesses. I'm not saying they benefit America as a whole, but that there are business interests who profit from cheaper labor. Those business interests obviously affect priorities in American policy.

Plus, hispanics are sort of a question mark in terms of voting. Most of them haven't really formed an allegiance with the Democrats or Republicans. In particular, the Republican party is sort of "holding its tongue" about immigration, so they won't alienate hispanic voters.

What do you think of the "New World Order" theories, that there are
those who are pulling the strings who are making sure that the above
is never really done, that they want all of N. America to be as one
and dissolve the borders and that all the politicians rhetoric is just
that?

At least in my opinion, open immigration is very bad for us, and free trade (NAFTA/CAFTA) is very good for us. I also think that a "North American Union" won't exist in our lifetimes, if ever.

[isabel]

I have friends who have relatives that have become seriously ill from trying to cross the border illegally. An old lady who walked through the mountains for days and had a stroke.

Hispanics are a mix of the american culture pot. Their hertiage is here too. Although I disaprove of illegal entry. I believe those that are in our country legally should be respected as American Citizens and not viewed as any thing less.

Izzy

[Panterro]

We need a new Confederate flag! I am all for enslaving Mexicans. Senor we can open a Factory here in El Paso, and enslave the weaker race. What do you say? And Senor you can be the house wet back.

See how raciest your comment really is senor member.

[Senor Member]

Originally Posted by Panterro

We need a new Confederate flag! I am all for enslaving Mexicans. Senor we can open a Factory here in El Paso, and enslave the weaker race. What do you say? And Senor you can be the house wet back.

Sorry, but I'm more of a redneck than a wetback.

See how raciest your comment really is senor member.

What do you mean? I don't think my comment was racist.

[isabel]

Senor, those of us who have been around for a while know catfish is a racist. And he is most likely proud of it:) Sorry if I offend catfish...but if the shoe fits:)

I consider myself a bit of a redneck but more of an okie. But the term wetback is racist. You are new here so we get a picture of you by the words you use. Maybe you should share your views with the idea that no one here knows your background or you. Give us some background and a few more words about who you are:)

Catch you later,

Izzy

[isabel]

I love it. Yeah...Okie by bloodline. Everytime I get around my family I start talking with an accent. How about all those Okie words my family uses. Frig., folks, kin folk, worsher instead of washer.

It was funny, when I was working in an office, someone kept saying huh, to what I was trying to explain to them. I finally got fustrated and said, "Don't you understand English". Everyone laughed:)

My hubby gets after me when I've been around my family. He says "Stop it". Meaning...the slang and twang.

Izzy

[Senor Member]

Originally Posted by isabel

I consider myself a bit of a redneck but more of an okie. But the term wetback is racist.

I disagree. I use the dictionary definition for "racism," not the popular definition.

You are new here so we get a picture of you by the words you use.

Not necessarily. If Panterro uses the word "Wetback", and I quote him, then that doesn't really tell you much about what type of person I am.

Maybe you should share your views with the idea that no one here knows your background or you. Give us some background and a few more words about who you are:)

I don't mind sharing things about my background, I just didn't see how it was relevant to the thread. I like to think we can discuss these sorts of issues without worrying about ad hominem attacks.

[isabel]

What a conversation our relatives would have:) By the time they picked up lingo from each other we would have Scandinavian Okies:)

Izzy

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Senor Member

Sorry, but I'm more of a redneck than a wetback.



What do you mean? I don't think my comment was racist.

I would not worry about it too much. Their are many people that will call telling the truth racist. and the truth is not racist it's just the truth. Anyone one with eyes to see can understand what these wetbacks and their millions of anchors are doing to our country. And someone the lives in Texas or SoCal should know better than anyone els. Wetback, Illegal same same
If people want to look at me as a racist Cuz I call the kettle black, I am sure you know I don't care. But it's more like being a realist. Wake up and see the reality. Just look at the cities these people have taken over. Cities that not that long ago were nice places too live in, and today you can't walk down the street without being in fear for your life

[isabel]

Okay you guys how did we go from illegals to...relatives...to showering together? Shhhhhsh! Let's take this back to PG-13:)

Izzy

[Senor Member]

Originally Posted by catfish

I would not worry about it too much. Their are many people that will call telling the truth racist. and the truth is not racist it's just the truth.

In principle, I agree with you here. There are many people out there who liberally throw around the word "Racism" because it is easier than having an intelligent discussion.

Anyone one with eyes to see can understand what these wetbacks and their millions of anchors are doing to our country. And someone the lives in Texas or SoCal should know better than anyone els. Wetback, Illegal same same

I don't know about this, though. It may not be racist to use the term 'wetback', but it is certainly offensive. It is like calling an anglo "Inbred white trash."

It takes the focus away from the point of your argument, and puts it on the words you choose to use.

If people want to look at me as a racist Cuz I call the kettle black, I am sure you know I don't care. But it's more like being a realist. Wake up and see the reality.

Saying that "illegals are a major problem" is completely legitimate, not at all racist, and is being a realist.

Saying that "wetbacks are a problem" is something completely different. It is something offensive, not grounded in reality, and is probably the reason that folks are calling you a racist. I think hating someone because their skin color is different is morally wrong.

My point is, there are a ton of hispanics out there who are good, law-abiding, hard working people, and it isn't fair to throw them under the bus beacuse you don't like illegals.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Senor Member

In principle, I agree with you here. There are many people out there who liberally throw around the word "Racism" because it is easier than having an intelligent discussion.




I don't know about this, though. It may not be racist to use the term 'wetback', but it is certainly offensive. It is like calling an anglo "Inbred white trash."

It takes the focus away from the point of your argument, and puts it on the words you choose to use.



Saying that "illegals are a major problem" is completely legitimate, not at all racist, and is being a realist.

Saying that "wetbacks are a problem" is something completely different. It is something offensive, not grounded in reality, and is probably the reason that folks are calling you a racist. I think hating someone because their skin color is different is morally wrong.

My point is, there are a ton of hispanics out there who are good, law-abiding, hard working people, and it isn't fair to throw them under the bus beacuse you don't like illegals.

I don't know about this, though. It may not be racist to use the term 'wetback', but it is certainly offensive. It is like calling an anglo "Inbred white trash."

It takes the focus away from the point of your argument, and puts it on the words you choose to use.

I know the term wetback is offensive more so the those that are. But this is the first and only post I have used the world wetback. and the only reason I did to was because someone else was playing around with the word.

Sheet, Iam married to 1/2 of a Mexican and all my in laws are Mexican, So I guess that makes me a racist But they are more down on this illegal thing than I am. And I wont even go into what they think about blacks.
Realist
Not
Racist
Thank you for a nice courteous post
CF