Fence on Mexico Border

sunrico90 · 10-26-2006, 10:24 PM

This is the new fence

and alternate training site for the US Olympic Volleyball Team...

**Corlyx** · 10-27-2006, 04:05 AM

lol, nice. Is that a US vs. Mexico match?

RAINBOWWAVES · 01-06-2007, 12:25 PM

Did anyone hear that Slyvester Stalone is protesting the 700 ft wall that is going to be the border? He feels that Mexicans have the God given right to be here whether anyone wants them or not...LOL...He says this wall will be like the Berlin Wall...I think he better shut up before no one buys the last Rocky...LOL

**T.S.** · 01-06-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAINBOWWAVES

Did anyone hear that Slyvester Stalone is protesting the 700 ft wall that is going to be the border? He feels that Mexicans have the God given right to be here whether anyone wants them or not...LOL...He says this wall will be like the Berlin Wall...I think he better shut up before no one buys the last Rocky...LOL

I think it is so stupid when people compare a border fence to the Berlin wall. The Berlin wall divided a single country and city, it was not a border wall between 2 previously independent countries.

Nobody is going to buy the new Rocky movie as it is.

RAINBOWWAVES · 01-06-2007, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunrico90

This is the new fence

and alternate training site for the US Olympic Volleyball Team...

Too funny..

**whitney** · 01-06-2007, 10:24 PM

For those here who remember me: No surprise I'm posting on this thread first after my "introduction!"

Love that fence.

I'm with you, T.S., I don't want a Rocky movie, either.

RAINBOWWAVES · 01-06-2007, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.S.

I think it is so stupid when people compare a border fence to the Berlin wall. The Berlin wall divided a single country and city, it was not a border wall between 2 previously independent countries.

Nobody is going to buy the new Rocky movie as it is.

I meant go to the movie to see it and it is number one and has made millions already.

**kimbercuddles** · 01-07-2007, 12:08 AM

You all think that fence is so funny...but it's keeping the Illegals on the other side, right? We can be civil, play volleyball and have fun as long as they stay there!

Totally just kidding...that is truly a pathetic fence! Where are the razor wires and electricity!?!?

**whitney** · 01-07-2007, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

You all think that fence is so funny...but it's keeping the Illegals on the other side, right? We can be civil, play volleyball and have fun as long as they stay there!

Totally just kidding...that is truly a pathetic fence! Where are the razor wires and electricity!?!?

.....and the moat with HUNGRY alligators....and a moderator deleting your post about razor wires and electricity before I had a chance to read it.

**NHYRNUT** · 01-07-2007, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

You all think that fence is so funny...but it's keeping the Illegals on the other side, right? We can be civil, play volleyball and have fun as long as they stay there!

Totally just kidding...that is truly a pathetic fence! Where are the razor wires and electricity!?!?

Don't forget the land mines. Just hope the ball don't hit them.

**Wyoming53** · 02-03-2007, 12:18 PM

Why isn't NAFTA in place. I firmly believe in it. For those of you that don't keep up, NAFTA stands for:

North American Firearms Training Area. It's a one mile wide stetch that runs along the border. There is no limit. There is no license required. No tags needed. You just can't take them home and put them in the freezer.

Curious George · 02-03-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

Why isn't NAFTA in place. I firmly believe in it. For those of you that don't keep up, NAFTA stands for:

North American Firearms Training Area. It's a one mile wide stetch that runs along the border. There is no limit. There is no license required. No tags needed. You just can't take them home and put them in the freezer.

Kind of like the prairie dog thing

deeptrance · 02-07-2007, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

...You just can't take them home and put them in the freezer.

Jeffrey Dahmer???

I thought you were murdered in prison! You tricky man... how did you fake your death and escape?

I'm 100% opposed to the border fence. I know, this is a humor thread, but I gotta say that this fence thing is really bizarre. Why haven't we taken the first, most obvious step toward slowing illegal immigration --- punishing anyone who hires them? Because politicians are cowards and don't want to lose the money they get from all those lobbyists!

If we eliminated the demand for illegals, we wouldn't have very many. We demand them, so they come. Now we're going to demand them AND build a fence? That's illogical (and ecologically dangerous and ugly and fascist and authoritarian!)

The second step should be to empower the INS and border patrols so that their hands aren't tied when dealing with immigrants. The whole immigration process in the USA is a scam. We allow millions of illegals to be here because they save our corporations money on labor, but we deport legitimate political refugees who are well-educated and contributing more than cheap dry-wall installations.

I know from experience, I dated a refugee from Bosnia whose family was chased out by the Serbs. She was 13 when a Serbian militia raided her town, burned her house while pointing a gun to her head as she knelt in the street watching everything she owned go up in flames, and her mother screamed at the soldiers not to rape the girl (which they WERE doing with most other kids) --- fortunately she was spared the rape but her family had to flee.

She arrived in the USA when she was 19 and at the age of 25 she was deported for not having proper documentation, in spite of the fact that she had a 5 year old son and had been working legitimate high-skilled jobs the whole time she was in the States. Meanwhile, the below-minimum-wage illegals get to stay because corporate profiteers and their political bedfellows love that cheap labor.

It's truly sick. The fence is just a distraction from the real issues and it's a typical Republican response to problems that Republicans don't really care about. But many of you buy into it because you think with your emotions instead of your brains. (humor thread turns sour.... LOL

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**Wyoming53** · 02-07-2007, 09:57 PM

Today on the TV was Arnold Schwartzenager. He said that he was totally opposed to the Fed Governments idea of a fence. His only complaint was, the Federal Government wants to put in 700 miles of fence and we have more then 700 miles of border. It just won't work.

Torrey · 08-03-2007, 05:44 AM

I say we build a big fence and ELECTRIFY it....... That will give them a CLUE

**Wyody** · 08-03-2007, 09:52 AM

Oh My - did somebody wake up Wyody again?? Gotta stop doing that ... Here he goes:

Hey Yo! Say what you will about "Rocky" - the storyline never gets old - the underdog always wins.
What can I say about a fence?
I don't like it. I don't agree with it. It won't work for what it's intended to do. What it's intended to do is wrong. Here's another case of "Whitey" trying to protect what he originally stole from a good people.
But to switch directions, ... Why put it there!!!! Put it across southern Nevada or at Flagstaff. Put it across just south of Santa Fe. Put it across ... put it across .... hmmmmmm - we have all these states in the American "heartland" that ain't worth beans so, I don't know where to put the fence in mid-America. Not meaning to offend - but does anybody realize that we actually fought for Texas???? My question ... Why??? Oklahoma, Kansas, eastern Colorado ... Why??? Shucks - I wouldda given those states back in a New York minute had I been there. And I'd give half of California, Arizona and New Mexico back as well.
Saving only the best for my fellow American Pillagers.
And that being said - Wyody nods back off to sleep.
God Bless America ... quick!!

Curious George · 08-03-2007, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyody

Oh My - did somebody wake up Wyody again?? Gotta stop doing that ... Here he goes:

Hey Yo! Say what you will about "Rocky" - the storyline never gets old - the underdog always wins.
What can I say about a fence?
I don't like it. I don't agree with it. It won't work for what it's intended to do. What it's intended to do is wrong. Here's another case of "Whitey" trying to protect what he originally stole from a good people.
But to switch directions, ... Why put it there!!!! Put it across southern Nevada or at Flagstaff. Put it across just south of Santa Fe. Put it across ... put it across .... hmmmmmm - we have all these states in the American "heartland" that ain't worth beans so, I don't know where to put the fence in mid-America. Not meaning to offend - but does anybody realize that we actually fought for Texas???? My question ... Why??? Oklahoma, Kansas, eastern Colorado ... Why??? Shucks - I wouldda given those states back in a New York minute had I been there. And I'd give half of California, Arizona and New Mexico back as well.
Saving only the best for my fellow American Pillagers.
And that being said - Wyody nods back off to sleep.
God Bless America ... quick!!

I thought we wear crackers , man I just can’t keep up with all this .

**Wyody** · 08-03-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curious George

I thought we wear crackers , man I just can’t keep up with all this .

Well, I suppose I did either deviate from the point ... or expand it unnecessarily.
Actually, in that very soft mini-rant was a bit of a point - a point Nor'Easterners and Nor'Westerners might understand - and perhaps a person from the Iron Range and that is:
Look, someone ... lots of people ... some of us here ... want to build a fence thinking it will keep people on the other side - when we also know darn well that by very nature, a human-being will look for a way under, over, around or through anything put in it's path - but they want to build this fence - to keep people out of .... What? Desert? More Desert?? They will still fly, walk, drive, be driven, be flown, mailed and even teleported to the "inland" U.S. Most of that country down south toward Mexico way is not exactly easy land to live on - hot, dusty, gritty, topsoil-free, rocky, cactus-spliney, waterless ... and we wanna keep somebody off of that??? I say, move the dumb ol' fences north if you're gonna build 'em - let them have that desert (which, unfortunately, includes Phoenix and San Antone).
In fact, I have a better idea even yet!!! Build a giant Thrift Store just on the other side of the border! Everybody will go there! They won't even bother crossing the border!!! Have it open 24/7! Even those who have already crossed will head back that way! Plenty of parking too!
(George, I'm sorry - but can you grok that? I tried to rein it in a tad)

Curious George · 08-03-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyody

Well, I suppose I did either deviate from the point ... or expand it unnecessarily.
Actually, in that very soft mini-rant was a bit of a point - a point Nor'Easterners and Nor'Westerners might understand - and perhaps a person from the Iron Range and that is:
Look, someone ... lots of people ... some of us here ... want to build a fence thinking it will keep people on the other side - when we also know darn well that by very nature, a human-being will look for a way under, over, around or through anything put in it's path - but they want to build this fence - to keep people out of .... What? Desert? More Desert?? They will still fly, walk, drive, be driven, be flown, mailed and even teleported to the "inland" U.S. Most of that country down south toward Mexico way is not exactly easy land to live on - hot, dusty, gritty, topsoil-free, rocky, cactus-spliney, waterless ... and we wanna keep somebody off of that??? I say, move the dumb ol' fences north if you're gonna build 'em - let them have that desert (which, unfortunately, includes Phoenix and San Antone).
In fact, I have a better idea even yet!!! Build a giant Thrift Store just on the other side of the border! Everybody will go there! They won't even bother crossing the border!!! Have it open 24/7! Even those who have already crossed will head back that way! Plenty of parking too!
(George, I'm sorry - but can you grok that? I tried to rein it in a tad)

Personally I think the fence is a dumb idea , an the fact that any government would even mention it . #1 shows how dumb they think me an you are . #2 shows just how dumb they are !! It’s just another one of those lip serves bandage type stupid answers to a problem they don’t know how to fix or care to fix. By the way what’s a gork, I now what a dork is but not a gork , is that like wyody language.

**Wyody** · 08-03-2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curious George

Personally I think the fence is a dumb idea , an the fact that any government would even mention it . #1 shows how dumb they think me an you are . #2 shows just how dumb they are !! It’s just another one of those lip serves bandage type stupid answers to a problem they don’t know how to fix or care to fix. By the way what’s a gork, I now what a dork is but not a gork , is that like wyody language.

It's not a gORk, it's a gROk ... GROK. A verb I suppose. It means "to understand" "to get" "to see".
Made famous by Michael Valentine Smith.
The Man Who Fell to Earth
read it ... really!

Curious George · 08-04-2007, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyody

It's not a gORk, it's a gROk ... GROK. A verb I suppose. It means "to understand" "to get" "to see".
Made famous by Michael Valentine Smith.
The Man Who Fell to Earth
read it ... really!

You say wyody I say woody you say grok I say gork , uf da what ever man..!

**Wyody** · 08-04-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

You say wyody I say woody you say grok I say gork , uf da what ever man..!

I always wondered, CG, about the Woody thing. I was thinking maybe you were blonde in one eye or something - or just found it easier and a sort of permanent though invisible statement ... A "Hail Larry" so to speak.
But I've never minded - 'sorta like the name - last Woody I knew was a heckuva guy and turned into a real fine drummer but he was just an all-around good guy, know whut I mean? Had too much money for good rock'n'roll though.
So, if you wanna be "Gork", that's fine with me - you just go ahead and be "Gork". I can Grok that. Where is that Gorky Park, anyway?

catfish · 08-17-2007, 10:30 AM

America will not go down if they are gone. Hospitals will reopen. Violent crimes will drop
dramatically. Housing market will recover. Trash in the streets will be
reduced. Drunk driving and other traffic offenses will drop way down. Riots
will dwindle.Drugs and trafficking will slow down. Population will get under
control. Diseases that were eradicated years ago will again be under
control.The list goes on and on. However America gong down the tubes is not on the list.
Close the borders now and deport them now ever one of them

catfish · 08-17-2007, 01:54 PM

Better hope everyone keeps up the badgering of politicians . This Bush plan
to fire illegal employees is just a plan to fool people into thinking that
the economy is suffering because of the firings. Big business and the news
are going to make a big deal of it to try and get the public support for
amnesty.

Curious George · 08-17-2007, 02:11 PM

Amnesty is a slap in the face to all the millions of people who did it the legal way !
It’s just plain wrong! But considering we have no or very few pollutions with any back bone it will probably happen.

**Wyody** · 08-18-2007, 11:03 AM

Oh Lordy, I've got me an idea again! This started way back when I realized - just like that Talmud fellow said - that it's "Israel Stupid" (hey, it's a quote, okay?) when I was thinking - why not just "Star-Trek" those Israeli people over here - we'll give them some of that worthless land in Nevada - fence them in and protect them here! - which I'd done a good job of keeping to myself until he showed up ... so ...,
You know how this government is out of touch? With us? With the real needs? - I say it's Republican, you might say it's the Liberals, others blame politicians in general - but as a whole, we're fairly-well agreed that our leaders are out of touch with whatever they're supposed to be in touch with.
I've been of the opinion for many years that we should find them all a country to run somewhere else and let them run THAT country into the ground while we get on with our lives.
Now, we've got aliens - from all over really but mostly from Mexico and Canada ... altho most Canucks don't want to stay (better at home) ... and it's kinda wrong to fence them out or shoot them ... and it's kinda wrong to let them in and ruin us (can we get any more ruint?) ... WELL ...
Let's take some of the wasteland in our country - we can hammer out an accord over where that really is - turn it into a "sub-country" - fence it - and send these people that y'all don't like (the alienders) and take these other people - the politicians (the azz-enders) ... and let the Behinds run the Immigrants! - eventually, they'll want to trade with us - but we'll only have to support them the same way we do other little, tiny, troublesome countries - that is, with foreign aid!
We get rid of at least a couple of problems at once - and we find a good use for places like El Paso, Wendover Nevada, Cimmaron Territory, Georgia (Whoops, did I say Georgia? Sorry).
Now, realizing that we'd need to replace our leadership with something other than politicians - I say we set up a council - and just let us round up a few more "liberal, concerned for the real people" types and a couple more Hindus - and we'll run it from right here at TalkStates ,,, Only thing I ask for ... is the Button. I don't trust any of you folks not to use it - (no offense) - and I totally trust myself to use it at the totally wrong time! Keeps the surprise in the psyche, know whut I mean?
Peace,
Or Not,
Wyody the Warrior

catfish · 08-19-2007, 07:03 PM

Immigrants of the Past Were Not Parasites
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm getting tired of the "Nation of Immigrants (TM)" canard, as if every
generation of immigrants is indistinguishable from the last. The pioneers of
the past came here to build a new nation. They saw a vast, almost unoccupied
continent, and wanted to build a new nation in their own image -- a "New
Europe".

New migrants, however, are not building a new nation from scratch. They're
not homesteaders, rather they're simply replacing Americans and taking over
an infrastructure already in place. In contrast, they're actually very
different from the immigrants of the past. Ironically, they're almost the
exact opposite, in the sense that they're not building a nation -- they're
doing quite the opposite they are destroying what we have built -- though
immigration cheerleaders from the liberally minded social marxist Democrats
to the dittoheaded corporatist Republicans almost NEVER make such a
distinction.

10-26-2006, 10:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
sunrico90 Banned Join Date: Oct 17th, 2006 Posts: 27	Fence on Mexico Border This is the new fence and alternate training site for the US Olympic Volleyball Team...

10-27-2006, 04:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
Corlyx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 14th, 2006 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 95	lol, nice. Is that a US vs. Mexico match? __________________ --Corlyx--

01-06-2007, 12:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
RAINBOWWAVES Banned Join Date: Oct 18th, 2006 Posts: 715	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Did anyone hear that Slyvester Stalone is protesting the 700 ft wall that is going to be the border? He feels that Mexicans have the God given right to be here whether anyone wants them or not...LOL...He says this wall will be like the Berlin Wall...I think he better shut up before no one buys the last Rocky...LOL

01-06-2007, 10:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
whitney Junior Member Join Date: Jan 06th, 2007 Posts: 57	Re: Fence on Mexico Border For those here who remember me: No surprise I'm posting on this thread first after my "introduction!" Love that fence. I'm with you, T.S., I don't want a Rocky movie, either.

01-07-2007, 12:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
kimbercuddles Cheery Chick Join Date: Jan 02nd, 2007 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 1,089	Re: Fence on Mexico Border You all think that fence is so funny...but it's keeping the Illegals on the other side, right? We can be civil, play volleyball and have fun as long as they stay there! Totally just kidding...that is truly a pathetic fence! Where are the razor wires and electricity!?!?

02-03-2007, 12:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Why isn't NAFTA in place. I firmly believe in it. For those of you that don't keep up, NAFTA stands for: North American Firearms Training Area. It's a one mile wide stetch that runs along the border. There is no limit. There is no license required. No tags needed. You just can't take them home and put them in the freezer. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

02-07-2007, 09:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Today on the TV was Arnold Schwartzenager. He said that he was totally opposed to the Fed Governments idea of a fence. His only complaint was, the Federal Government wants to put in 700 miles of fence and we have more then 700 miles of border. It just won't work. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

08-03-2007, 05:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
Torrey Member Join Date: Aug 03rd, 2007 Location: Texas, but moving back to New England! Posts: 164	Re: Fence on Mexico Border I say we build a big fence and ELECTRIFY it....... That will give them a CLUE __________________ Get ready for war, the United States is going to collapse.

08-03-2007, 09:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Oh My - did somebody wake up Wyody again?? Gotta stop doing that ... Here he goes: Hey Yo! Say what you will about "Rocky" - the storyline never gets old - the underdog always wins. What can I say about a fence? I don't like it. I don't agree with it. It won't work for what it's intended to do. What it's intended to do is wrong. Here's another case of "Whitey" trying to protect what he originally stole from a good people. But to switch directions, ... Why put it there!!!! Put it across southern Nevada or at Flagstaff. Put it across just south of Santa Fe. Put it across ... put it across .... hmmmmmm - we have all these states in the American "heartland" that ain't worth beans so, I don't know where to put the fence in mid-America. Not meaning to offend - but does anybody realize that we actually fought for Texas???? My question ... Why??? Oklahoma, Kansas, eastern Colorado ... Why??? Shucks - I wouldda given those states back in a New York minute had I been there. And I'd give half of California, Arizona and New Mexico back as well. Saving only the best for my fellow American Pillagers. And that being said - Wyody nods back off to sleep. God Bless America ... quick!! __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

08-17-2007, 10:30 AM	#23 (permalink)
catfish Member Join Date: Aug 15th, 2007 Location: North Central Arkansas Posts: 609	Re: Fence on Mexico Border America will not go down if they are gone. Hospitals will reopen. Violent crimes will drop dramatically. Housing market will recover. Trash in the streets will be reduced. Drunk driving and other traffic offenses will drop way down. Riots will dwindle.Drugs and trafficking will slow down. Population will get under control. Diseases that were eradicated years ago will again be under control.The list goes on and on. However America gong down the tubes is not on the list. Close the borders now and deport them now ever one of them

08-17-2007, 01:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
catfish Member Join Date: Aug 15th, 2007 Location: North Central Arkansas Posts: 609	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Better hope everyone keeps up the badgering of politicians . This Bush plan to fire illegal employees is just a plan to fool people into thinking that the economy is suffering because of the firings. Big business and the news are going to make a big deal of it to try and get the public support for amnesty.

08-17-2007, 02:11 PM	#25 (permalink)
Curious George Banned Join Date: Jan 08th, 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,028	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Amnesty is a slap in the face to all the millions of people who did it the legal way ! It’s just plain wrong! But considering we have no or very few pollutions with any back bone it will probably happen.

08-18-2007, 11:03 AM	#26 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Fence on Mexico Border Oh Lordy, I've got me an idea again! This started way back when I realized - just like that Talmud fellow said - that it's "Israel Stupid" (hey, it's a quote, okay?) when I was thinking - why not just "Star-Trek" those Israeli people over here - we'll give them some of that worthless land in Nevada - fence them in and protect them here! - which I'd done a good job of keeping to myself until he showed up ... so ..., You know how this government is out of touch? With us? With the real needs? - I say it's Republican, you might say it's the Liberals, others blame politicians in general - but as a whole, we're fairly-well agreed that our leaders are out of touch with whatever they're supposed to be in touch with. I've been of the opinion for many years that we should find them all a country to run somewhere else and let them run THAT country into the ground while we get on with our lives. Now, we've got aliens - from all over really but mostly from Mexico and Canada ... altho most Canucks don't want to stay (better at home) ... and it's kinda wrong to fence them out or shoot them ... and it's kinda wrong to let them in and ruin us (can we get any more ruint?) ... WELL ... Let's take some of the wasteland in our country - we can hammer out an accord over where that really is - turn it into a "sub-country" - fence it - and send these people that y'all don't like (the alienders) and take these other people - the politicians (the azz-enders) ... and let the Behinds run the Immigrants! - eventually, they'll want to trade with us - but we'll only have to support them the same way we do other little, tiny, troublesome countries - that is, with foreign aid! We get rid of at least a couple of problems at once - and we find a good use for places like El Paso, Wendover Nevada, Cimmaron Territory, Georgia (Whoops, did I say Georgia? Sorry). Now, realizing that we'd need to replace our leadership with something other than politicians - I say we set up a council - and just let us round up a few more "liberal, concerned for the real people" types and a couple more Hindus - and we'll run it from right here at TalkStates ,,, Only thing I ask for ... is the Button. I don't trust any of you folks not to use it - (no offense) - and I totally trust myself to use it at the totally wrong time! Keeps the surprise in the psyche, know whut I mean? Peace, Or Not, Wyody the Warrior __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

08-19-2007, 07:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
catfish Member Join Date: Aug 15th, 2007 Location: North Central Arkansas Posts: 609	Immigrants of the Past Were Not Parasites Immigrants of the Past Were Not Parasites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm getting tired of the "Nation of Immigrants (TM)" canard, as if every generation of immigrants is indistinguishable from the last. The pioneers of the past came here to build a new nation. They saw a vast, almost unoccupied continent, and wanted to build a new nation in their own image -- a "New Europe". New migrants, however, are not building a new nation from scratch. They're not homesteaders, rather they're simply replacing Americans and taking over an infrastructure already in place. In contrast, they're actually very different from the immigrants of the past. Ironically, they're almost the exact opposite, in the sense that they're not building a nation -- they're doing quite the opposite they are destroying what we have built -- though immigration cheerleaders from the liberally minded social marxist Democrats to the dittoheaded corporatist Republicans almost NEVER make such a distinction.