Paint

[Wyoming53]

I have questions concerning exterior paint. I went to the store and looked through the paint. I made sure that I bought paint that was a natural color, not mixed, because I wanted to be able to paint later and not have to worry about matching it. But, I would also paint an entire exterior wall, not just touch up. I also purchased the "25 year" paint.

Well, it's been about 8 years and my paint is turning colors. It's like, I don't know, like dark in spots and lighter in other spots. Looks like crap. I'm ready to paint it again this summer.

There is nothing peeling or cracked, it just looks like crap. So do you think I should prime it, just to give a new paint a good base to adhere to?

Also, what brand of paint would you recommend? Last time it took me 15 gallons for the walls and 6 gallons for the trim.

[Wyody]

Of course you know, 53, that Wyoming and all the surrounding states are killer on paint-jobs.
Primer is always a good idea - whether you need it or not. If you've got the cash and the time it's just one more layer of security.
Honest, your helpful people at ACE hardware can help you. You can also learn a lot online.
Everybody will have a different brand - given the choices in your area.
I've used different kinds - never had a problem with ACE. I won't be using it out here ... and I'm nervous about it.
I like a satin-latex. If you're painting a lot of wood - it fills well and looks good. Should not be a problem matching these days - just take a chip in to most places and they'll run it thru their puter.

[isabel]

53 are you painting wood or stucco? My husband likes to use a sprayer. Our home is stucco. There is a lot of prep work with papering windows and taping off. But once that is done it goes really fast.

If you have discolored paint now I would primer just to have a solid color to start with and not have to worry about the uneven old color bleeding through. As far as 25 year paint...I buy it too...never seems to last that long. They must test it in a lab.

Wyody's right...matching isn't a problem these days. I would paint it the color you want. Most paint stores can match a chip later for touching up. I always buy an extra gallon or two for touch up later and make sure they write the formula on the top of the can so it can be used later.

Now being a graphic artist...my real interest is what colors?

Izzy

[PDXnative]

Primer and then use a good acrylic or better latex paint. Rodda has excellent paint!!! They will give you a 10% discount if you present a AAA card. Not sure if they have them over there, but look for an acrylic latex.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by PDXnative

Primer and then use a good acrylic or better latex paint. Rodda has excellent paint!!! They will give you a 10% discount if you present a AAA card. Not sure if they have them over there, but look for an acrylic latex.

Rodda is the paint I'll be using here - for interiors. Never used it before but the last team had switched to Moore - and I'm seeing problems with it. They use Rodda in all the locations owned by this company - and have very good things to say about it.

[Wyoming53]

I've had professional painters look at this to try and figure out what went wrong. They asked questions like, temp of day when I painted, etc. following is two pictures. Both structures were painted the same day, out of the same 5 gallon bucket. Both have T-111 siding. One (ugly paint) is my house. Setting 10 feet away is my skid structure I built. Skid structure trip is peeling, but siding is find. House, siding looks bad, but trim is excellent.






Again, this is 25 year acyl latex after only 8 years. The house and the shed were completely painted. Two days later, a complete second coat was put on. Not just touched up, but a complete coat.

[Curious George]

53 I see light an dark spots on both , house is more pronounced . looks like the paint went into the wood a little deeper in some areas what’s under the paint fresh wood or more paint . your trim on shed is because water or moister is getting behind the paint . extend roof a little more if you can . or aluminum try fascia 1” wider than trim board.

[Wyoming53]

Originally Posted by Curious George

53 I see light an dark spots on both , house is more pronounced . looks like the paint went into the wood a little deeper in some areas what’s under the paint fresh wood or more paint . your trim on shed is because water or moister is getting behind the paint . extend roof a little more if you can . or aluminum try fascia 1” wider than trim board.

I think it was just bad wood. hahaha Although you can't see it very well in the picture, it has metal trim on it and the roofing material extends about 1.5 inches over the edge. The trim boards on the other three sides haven't peeled like that one board did. So I'm wondering if that one piece wasn't as dry as the rest when I built and painted it.

Yeah, but the fade on the shed is about what I would expect after a period of time. The fade, and bright on the house was totally unexpected. That's why I'm investigating a different paint. Also, when I painted the house, it was the first time it had been painted since the original paint when it was built. I'm wondering if they used a really cheap paint for the initial painting that may have caused this.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

I think it was just bad wood. hahaha Although you can't see it very well in the picture, it has metal trim on it and the roofing material extends about 1.5 inches over the edge. The trim boards on the other three sides haven't peeled like that one board did. So I'm wondering if that one piece wasn't as dry as the rest when I built and painted it.

Yeah, but the fade on the shed is about what I would expect after a period of time. The fade, and bright on the house was totally unexpected. That's why I'm investigating a different paint. Also, when I painted the house, it was the first time it had been painted since the original paint when it was built. I'm wondering if they used a really cheap paint for the initial painting that may have caused this.

Just a note to mention - and correct me if I'm mistaken, 53 - that there should be absolutely NO effect caused by moisture in your area. Rarely even morning-dew, quickly absorbed rainfall and snow-melt.
It's looking to me like you could be right about the "bad wood" - looks like the problem was already there and then, painted over. Again though, the harsh conditions of high-UV, strong winds and driven dust can play havoc on paint. Maybe it's just my opinion - but a 25 year paint in Wyoming doesn't seem like a possibility. Often lucky to get 5 out of a 15 yr product.

[Curious George]

The trim board I’ll bet is on the south side . with only 1.5 overhang is is easy for water drops to hang on the under side of trim board from wind an with time wick there way up through the small cracks in paint from expand an contract on the sun side. then over time paint flakes off

The house seems almost like some sorta bleed through . some how paint is reacting with oils or saps in wood or with the other paint . same thing as with shed only at a different rate . you might end up sealing it before you paint again . could also be bad paint . but I would go with it reacted with something under the paint .

[Panterro]

Look into this, I have not used it, but it may help you..

http://ndclean.com/onecoat.html

[Wyoming53]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Just a note to mention - and correct me if I'm mistaken, 53 - that there should be absolutely NO effect caused by moisture in your area. Rarely even morning-dew, quickly absorbed rainfall and snow-melt.
It's looking to me like you could be right about the "bad wood" - looks like the problem was already there and then, painted over. Again though, the harsh conditions of high-UV, strong winds and driven dust can play havoc on paint. Maybe it's just my opinion - but a 25 year paint in Wyoming doesn't seem like a possibility. Often lucky to get 5 out of a 15 yr product.

Correct. And when I painted, I made sure that I painted after 11am on a moderate day. Was about 83 degrees or so when I started and then I stopped when I finished a 2 walls before it got too hot in the afternoon. Then, the next day, I did two more walls and the shed. All 4 walls of the house turned out exactly the same.

So moisture shouldn't have been a problem.

[Wyoming53]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Look into this, I have not used it, but it may help you..

http://ndclean.com/onecoat.html

I checked that out and I'm going to do some more checking on it. That article didn't get in too much as to whether it adhears to one type of old paint better then another kid of paint. But it was interesting.

Thanks for the link.