LDS, mormons in Idaho

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 12:14 PM

Okay, was just looking at the list of topics in Idaho and I don't see the key issues discussed that I see elsewhere so I'm going to bring them up since. I fit most of the "Issues"

There are a lot of LDS in Idaho. Some say more than Utah...I'm lds and from California...two out of four key issues I have heard about that Idaho residents are "fired up about":)

The other two issues are racism and the influx of other nationalities moving into Idaho from Mexico.

Although, I've heard...(please keep in mind I don't live in Idaho. I live in California) the influence of LDS is stronger in South East Idaho...than it is in West or North Idaho.

The kkk was once a strong presence in Northern Idaho...I hear that is no longer true?

Boise has some areas that are high crime areas...and the threads I have read else where blame this on the hispanic population in those areas.

Although, my understanding is those high crime areas are contained in certain areas and Boise its self is a great place to live.

Anyone else who live in the area or have knowledge of it want to jump in there?

Izzy

**PDXnative** · 01-29-2007, 12:28 PM

It was not the KKK in Northern Idaho, it was Aryan Nations (skinheads). They had a large compound near Hayden Lake.

From wikipedia:

"From the 1970s until 2001 the headquarters of the Aryan Nations was in a 20 acre (81,000 m²) compound at Hayden Lake, Idaho. The group ran an annual "World Congress of Aryan Nations" at Hayden Lake for both AN adherents and other right-wing groups. After losing a $6.3 million lawsuit in September 2000, brought by Victoria and Jason Keenan who were attacked by Aryan Nations guards in 1999, the group was bankrupted. In February 2001, the group's Hayden Lake compound and intellectual property including the names "Aryan Nations" and "Church of Jesus Christ Christian" were transferred to the Keenans."

As for SE Idaho being more mormon influenced than other parts, that is true. Heavy mormon population in SE Idaho. I once went into a bank over there and they said to me "You're not from here, are you?"

Idaho has a lot of agriculture and therefore lots of migrant workers, which has created a large hispanic population there. There is also a big hispanic gang problem with shootings, drugs, etc, but this is mainly Nampa and Caldwell areas.

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 03:21 PM

There is a BYU in south east Idaho. Is it in Rexburg? I've heard that some towns are mostly mormon and that should be a serious consideration for non-mormon folks moving to Idaho. I've heard that in those towns non-mormons feel out of place. Does anyone know the towns that are mostly mormon?

I'm lds...so I feel comfortable bring up the subject. I just think more details on where the larger populations of mormons are help non-mormons and mormons alike.

Also, we see on line that homes are really affordable. But a lot of those homes in Boise area are in high crime areas such as Nampa and Caldwell. I've also heard that Garden City is questionable.

What are the desirable areas to live in the Boise area? Also, does anyone know much about Emmetts?

Izzy

**PDXnative** · 01-29-2007, 04:00 PM

If I was to ever again live in the Boise area, it would be in North Boise(?) where all of the historic homes are. It is real close to downtown.

**RodFarlee** · 01-29-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

...There are a lot of LDS in Idaho. Some say more than Utah...I'm lds and from California...two out of four key issues I have heard about that Idaho residents are "fired up about":) ... Although, I've heard...(please keep in mind I don't live in Idaho. I live in California) the influence of LDS is stronger in South East Idaho...than it is in West or North Idaho.

There's definitely more LDS members in Utah. The official LDS web site claimed 27% of Idaho's population are Church members, but only about half that number identify themselves as LDS members in public surveys.

According to the American Religious Identification Survey 2001, Idahoans declare themselves:
No religion 19%
Catholic 15%
LDS 14%
Baptist, Methodist, Christian 9% each
Refused to answer 6%
Others 3% or less each
This survey is also depicted in a USA Today graphic. In four states (Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming) "no religion" is the largest self-identified group.

The Association of Religious Data Archives (ARDA) produced an Idaho map of LDS members from a 2000 survey. They report that 53.6% of Idahoans are adherents to any religion, and 46.4% declare no religious adherence. In Ada County (Boise), 15.6% are LDS members, and Catholics are larger and faster growing.

It's long been said that Idaho is really three states: one looking to Salt Lake City (southeastern ID, primarily LDS), one looking to Boise (southwest ID, a mix with Catholic largest), and one looking to Spokane (north ID, primarily "no religion"). So I don't think Idahoans are "fired up" about the issue.

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 06:46 PM

That surprises me. Because on city-data. I read the lds concerns...over and over again. There were so many. It wasn't just a mention. The comments were both sides. "Not a problem", "Yeah lds live on both sides of me but not a problem", "I don't want to say too much they'll know it's me." To.." they don't include my kids in activities because we are not lds"

There are many who are not casual in their thoughts on this subject. But I am glad to hear you don't think it is a problem:) Wouldn't be for me either...after all I'm lds.

Izzy

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 07:15 PM

I just did a search on city-data, keyword mormon, state idaho. It came back with 75 posts on that one word. I didn't do lds or latter day saints.

izzy

**RodFarlee** · 01-29-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

There is a BYU in south east Idaho. Is it in Rexburg? I've heard that some towns are mostly mormon and that should be a serious consideration for non-mormon folks moving to Idaho. I've heard that in those towns non-mormons feel out of place. Does anyone know the towns that are mostly mormon?

I'm lds...so I feel comfortable bring up the subject. I just think more details on where the larger populations of mormons are help non-mormons and mormons alike.

Here's a page of maps, including one map showing percentage of the population in each county which the LDS Church claims as members. (Realize again that in surveys, about half that number actually identify themselves as Church members.)

This area of southeastern Idaho was originally settled by organized groups of LDS settlers, as were areas in other states adjacent to Utah. The largest predominately-LDS town is Rexsburg, home of BYU-Idaho (formerly Ricks College), and the largest city which is just over half LDS is Idaho Falls. Most of the rest of the area is rural with very small towns.

An equally informative map shows the percentage of adherents of all religions. Note that the remainder of Idaho follows the Northwestern pattern of having less than 35% religious adherence. The predominant attitude, outside of southeastern Idaho, is "live and let live".

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 07:26 PM

I like the maps. I saw one of them before. It was very interesting. I wish cleozmom would chime in here...she lives in Idaho Falls.

Thanks Rod...are you located in Idaho? I just see your status as American. It sounds like you have lived there or are a current resident.

Izzy

**RodFarlee** · 01-29-2007, 07:48 PM

A curious observation in comparing official Church membership numbers with survey results... for all Christian religions, roughly three people declare adherence to a religion for every two which churches count as members of its congregations. In contrast, the LDS Church claims two members for each one which self-declares Church membership in surveys. This is such a stark contrast (3:2 vs 1:2) that one wonders whether there is a doctrinal reason? I'm not an expert on LDS doctrine, so perhaps a Church member could comment?

**PDXnative** · 01-29-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RodFarlee

A curious observation in comparing official Church membership numbers with survey results... for all Christian religions, roughly three people declare adherence to a religion for every two which churches count as members of its congregations. In contrast, the LDS Church claims two members for each one which self-declares Church membership in surveys. This is such a stark contrast (3:2 vs 1:2) that one wonders whether there is a doctrinal reason? I'm not an expert on LDS doctrine, so perhaps a Church member could comment?

The claim ex-mormons as still being active.

**Wyody** · 01-29-2007, 09:10 PM

Uh, is this the spot where I mention that the "stronghold" for jehovah's witnesses is up by Shelley, ID?

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 10:47 PM

Okay,

From what I can gather...I'm no expert on doctrine either, I'm a convert myself...Our membership is reported by who attends sunday meetings, in a meeting house. There are lots of members who are two far from a meeting house to go. But they still meet in their homes and gather in a members home. They are still considered active, even though they cannot make it to church.

The numbers become more confusing because we have some new converts...that don't stay with the church long. They feel very comfortable with the missionary that baptized them but...feel lost once the missionary moves on. Our church works hard to make them feel welcome. But we do lose members that have been recently converted.

We have members that are attending and aren't counted. Example: We have three kids that are being adopted. They will finalize in Feb. They have been attending church for almost three years...but will not be counted as members until our adoption finalizes and are baptized at age 8. Our church members do adopt a lot of children. So these numbers go uncounted until finalization. Also, a child is not considered a member until they are baptized and confirmed when they are eight or older. There are lots of kids in our church.

Last of all many of our active members are in third world countries...those members are often too far from a meeting house, but are counted by the missionaries that baptized them and they are active in their own towns on Sundays...without a meeting house:)

For more info go to lds.org

That is the best I can come up with. My husband is more involved with the missionary side, and meetings, trying to help new converts. DON'T hold me to every word...a lot is open to interpation of talks given by leaders of our church and my own experiences as a convert of the church.

Izzy

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 11:14 PM

Okay, now that we covered the lds part of my post. How about how Idaho folks feel about californias. Do they blame california residents for raising the cost of homes and all the home building going on? What about over crowding from growth, do they blame us californian's for that too? I've read about californian's getting a real cold shoulder from some. Others say they are welcomed by their new neighbors.

Izzy

**Wyody** · 01-29-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

Okay, now that we covered the lds part of my post. How about how Idaho folks feel about californias. Do they blame california residents for raising the cost of homes and all the home building going on? What about over crowding from growth, do they blame us californian's for that too? I've read about californian's getting a real cold shoulder from some. Others say they are welcomed by their new neighbors.

Izzy

Izzy, my blurb is only slightly related to your query but I was in CA when everybody was coming from everywhere else to CA. I've been reading a lot "over there" about many folks in other states suffering the reverse now that the "move to California" trend is long gone. I've been watching the folks moving in - even to our area (SW Wyoming, Utah) and buying a lot of smaller homes just to come hunt for a couple of weeks a year.
I don't have a problem with it. These backroad towns across America have never really gotten "shaken-up" by the change in generations so, it's good to see some positive changes made in the politico/social areas.

**isabel** · 01-29-2007, 11:36 PM

I agree. But they have the view that we, californians, are changing the lifestyle they choose...when they moved there. That change is unwelcomed by many. Accepted as "a sign of the times" by others. But a californian moving to a town that resents the change...could make it hard to adjust to a new life where you have no family support or friends. You move with the expectation that you will be welcomed if you move there with the right attitude.

But you have to be given a chance first. I've heard of folks changing their ca plates as soon as possible to avoid unpleasentness.

Izzy

**RodFarlee** · 01-30-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by isabel

How about how Idaho folks feel about californians. Do they blame california residents for raising the cost of homes and all the home building going on? What about over crowding from growth, do they blame us californian's for that too? I've read about californian's getting a real cold shoulder from some. Others say they are welcomed by their new neighbors.

I haven't seen that. Many cities in the Northwest have large contingents of ex-Californians, many of whom are civic and business leaders, and I just don't think it's much of an issue. The town I'm in is almost half, but I didn't know that until I read it in a newspaper article. One reason is that those Californians who chose to move to Idaho or smaller towns in the northwest tend to be quieter and more conservative than most, and fit in pretty well.

Since the housing boom has passed, there are a lot of homes on the market and unfinished subdivisions, and the rampant growth is over for now. So that might be 2005's issue, but it's not 2007's. Now people are wishing more Californians could sell their homes, and move on up. (Boise housing prices have been strong and are predicted to remain stable, although the number of homes on the market is way up.)

**Wyody** · 01-30-2007, 09:49 AM

And Rod, that brings up what I feel is a misconception - or used to be.
The perception across the country still relates the the Peace, Love and radical movements of the '60's, to Manson, to pocketed militia-groups.
In fact, when I lived in CA, I was very surprised to find how many conservative, Christian and "redneck" folks there were. The square-dancing mecca. More small C&W bars than Rock & disco bars. The misconception that everybody from CA is wealthy and immoral is just that - a misconception.
Some of these towns across America still resist changing from Wrangler's to Levis - and now that the choice is nearly gone - have settled back into their Wrangler's or, with WalMart's growth, Rustlers. Likewise, many Californians can't believe how little change there has been out here in rural America.

**PDXnative** · 01-30-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RodFarlee

I haven't seen that. Many cities in the Northwest have large contingents of ex-Californians, many of whom are civic and business leaders, and I just don't think it's much of an issue. The town I'm in is almost half, but I didn't know that until I read it in a newspaper article. One reason is that those Californians who chose to move to Idaho or smaller towns in the northwest tend to be quieter and more conservative than most, and fit in pretty well.

Since the housing boom has passed, there are a lot of homes on the market and unfinished subdivisions, and the rampant growth is over for now. So that might be 2005's issue, but it's not 2007's. Now people are wishing more Californians could sell their homes, and move on up. (Boise housing prices have been strong and are predicted to remain stable, although the number of homes on the market is way up.)

Californians have been relocating to Oregon and Washington for some time now, so it is nothing new. Here in Oregon there are still cracks about Californians, but there are so many California transplants that you can't hate them, as you would probably hate 1/4 of the people you meet.

In Idaho, mainly Boise area, the Californians are moving in by the truckload, and the infrastructure cannot keep up. My mom moved there in the late 80's because she was tired of the "Big City" feel of the Portland area as Idaho had that small town feel. Now, it it has traffic jams and congestion, urban sprawl, and lots of people. They just hate all the people moving into the area and changing it.

From what I have heard, if you move to Idaho from California, change your plates immediately and don't really talk about it until you get to know someone good.

**cleozmom** · 01-30-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

I like the maps. I saw one of them before. It was very interesting. I wish cleozmom would chime in here...she lives in Idaho Falls.

Thanks Rod...are you located in Idaho? I just see your status as American. It sounds like you have lived there or are a current resident.

Izzy

Here I am! Sorry, husband has been home distracting me from the 'puter

Alright, some of what I will say might have already been said somewhere in this thread, I apologise ahead if I wind up being repetitive ;)

Yes, SE Idaho and actually much of eastern Idaho is highly populated with LDS/Mormons. Your smaller towns that tend to have a density are St. Anthony and Rexburg (home of BYU-Idaho, formerly Ricks College).

While Idaho Falls and the surrounding areas tend to have a large amount of LDS/Mormons as well, by having the Site (INL) out in the desert we tend to also get a good mix of "other" as well.

As for being non LDS, I've had perhaps minor issues if you will with the LDS population. Having said that we dont' have children so I don't have to go through the LDS kids vs. non LDS kids issues which can be another whole panorama. I can't state anything for all, however I have witnessed my one neighbor (non-LDS) children being told by LDS children that they are going to Hell. Pretty rough to hear when you're eight years old.

Bringing up the stance on Californians moving here, what can I say without casting stones as I'm also a transplant?

Do I want to see tons of peiople from anywhere moving here? No! As Americans we tend to migrate so there's really no stopping it. My only gripe is those who want to change things to that of which they were used to before they moved here.

**PDXnative** · 01-30-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cleozmom

As for being non LDS, I've had perhaps minor issues if you will with the LDS population. Having said that we dont' have children so I don't have to go through the LDS kids vs. non LDS kids issues which can be another whole panorama. I can't state anything for all, however I have witnessed my one neighbor (non-LDS) children being told by LDS children that they are going to Hell. Pretty rough to hear when you're eight years old.

My brother-in-law and sister-in-law live in Utah with there children and they are non-Mormon. It is pretty rough in the public schools for them and they have gotten ito fights, etc. The mormons are pretty clickish. I have also experienced this in my own family. Half my family is Mormon and I am not. They often get together and do family things, but don't invite me..... They only invite the mormons.

**isabel** · 01-30-2007, 01:10 PM

There you are! I remember someone saying (on that other site) that the seminarys (sp) are right next to the schools. We don't have that here in california. Is it true for the Idaho Falls area? I guess I will have to go look that up again. It was concerning a family moving to Idaho from another country and asking about how our school systems work.

Izzy

**isabel** · 01-30-2007, 01:28 PM

Hey! I found it. It was actually your post Cleozmom. Under preschools and kindergarden. A lady from Norway was asking about schools in Idaho. Back in Sept...remember it:)

Anyway that says a lot about the strong lds presence in your area. Because we don't have anything like that here in our areas of california.

Izzy

**cleozmom** · 01-30-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

Hey! I found it. It was actually your post Cleozmom. Under preschools and kindergarden. A lady from Norway was asking about schools in Idaho. Back in Sept...remember it:)

Anyway that says a lot about the strong lds presence in your area. Because we don't have anything like that here in our areas of california.

Izzy

You want me to remember something back to Sept.?

In answering the questions, yeppers there are seminarys for the high school kids, usually "across the street", because even here they are minding the rules of separating church and state somewhat ;)

**isabel** · 01-30-2007, 05:52 PM

Well...I remembered someone said it. Just didn't remember it was you:) Is it still snowing back there? Hey, no one ever answered about Emmetts. What kinda place is it? Is the commute to Boise hazardous in the winter from there? The homes are a better buy there. Saw a farm house there a couple of months ago. Just what I was looking for. Darn.

Izzy

**isabel** · 01-31-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cleozmom

As for being non LDS, I've had perhaps minor issues if you will with the LDS population. Having said that we dont' have children so I don't have to go through the LDS kids vs. non LDS kids issues which can be another whole panorama. I can't state anything for all, however I have witnessed my one neighbor (non-LDS) children being told by LDS children that they are going to Hell. Pretty rough to hear when you're eight years old.
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My brother-in-law and sister-in-law live in Utah with there children and they are non-Mormon. It is pretty rough in the public schools for them and they have gotten ito fights, etc. The mormons are pretty clickish. I have also experienced this in my own family. Half my family is Mormon and I am not. They often get together and do family things, but don't invite me..... They only invite the mormons.

You know...I bet if you express to them that they are doing this...they may surprise you with not realizing they have left you out. My two older sons. Adults now. Are not active in the church. They didn't grow up mormon because we didn't become active ourselves until about 5 years ago. My husband grew up in a lds family. I also have lds family...but did not grow up in an lds home.

I often pause and think about if I should invite them to events/parties that include church members. I think they will feel uncomfortable and will only be there because I asked them to come. That they wouldn't have a good time.

My husband gets upset about that because he feels the more exposure they have to church members...the better chance he has to getting them to church and becoming active.

So make it known that you like being around all kinds of people and don't mind if they are from the church.:)

Izzy

**PDXnative** · 01-31-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PDXnative

You know...I bet if you express to them that they are doing this...they may surprise you with not realizing they have left you out. My two older sons. Adults now. Are not active in the church. They didn't grow up mormon because we didn't become active ourselves until about 5 years ago. My husband grew up in a lds family. I also have lds family...but did not grow up in an lds home.

I often pause and think about if I should invite them to events/parties that include church members. I think they will feel uncomfortable and will only be there because I asked them to come. That they wouldn't have a good time.

My husband gets upset about that because he feels the more exposure they have to church members...the better chance he has to getting them to church and becoming active.

So make it known that you like being around all kinds of people and don't mind if they are from the church.:)

Izzy

I don't think that should be mine, or your sons', responsibility to make it known. I think if there is a "family" event, then family should be invited, and if certain family members feel uncomfortable there, then they will not come. By not inviting someone, it is a slap in the face!!!

**isabel** · 01-31-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by isabel

I don't think that should be mine, or your sons', responsibility to make it known. I think if there is a "family" event, then family should be invited, and if certain family members feel uncomfortable there, then they will not come. By not inviting someone, it is a slap in the face!!!

Pdx,

My sons are not you. They would come to anything I invited them to...not because they wanted to...but because I asked them too. Therefore, I try to consider their feelings about what they like and don't like to do...and don't ask if I don't think they will enjoy themselves. My sons are very caring, "Anything we can do for you mom" boys. I try not to abuse that quality in them. If they have to bale on me...they feel guilty. I don't like doing it to them.

But I'm going to ask them how they want me to handle it in the future. Tell them they can say no and it will be fine with me.:)

Feeling down today. Got to go.

Izzy

OhEe · 02-21-2007, 04:09 PM

I live in the Boise area and have also lived in Idaho Falls. I am not LDS and growing up in the school system as a non-lds member in IF is rough. You aren't really accepted and they do their best to "convert" you to their ways. If you are looking for a strong sense of "belonging" to the church, you should move to the SE part of Idaho. Boise is a mix of things. There are all sorts of churches here, so if you want to belong, you do. I think that we aren't fond of Californian's for the reasons already mentioned. As for Emmett,

01-29-2007, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	LDS, mormons in Idaho Okay, was just looking at the list of topics in Idaho and I don't see the key issues discussed that I see elsewhere so I'm going to bring them up since. I fit most of the "Issues" There are a lot of LDS in Idaho. Some say more than Utah...I'm lds and from California...two out of four key issues I have heard about that Idaho residents are "fired up about":) The other two issues are racism and the influx of other nationalities moving into Idaho from Mexico. Although, I've heard...(please keep in mind I don't live in Idaho. I live in California) the influence of LDS is stronger in South East Idaho...than it is in West or North Idaho. The kkk was once a strong presence in Northern Idaho...I hear that is no longer true? Boise has some areas that are high crime areas...and the threads I have read else where blame this on the hispanic population in those areas. Although, my understanding is those high crime areas are contained in certain areas and Boise its self is a great place to live. Anyone else who live in the area or have knowledge of it want to jump in there? Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 12:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
PDXnative Omnipotent Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,829	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho It was not the KKK in Northern Idaho, it was Aryan Nations (skinheads). They had a large compound near Hayden Lake. From wikipedia: "From the 1970s until 2001 the headquarters of the Aryan Nations was in a 20 acre (81,000 m²) compound at Hayden Lake, Idaho. The group ran an annual "World Congress of Aryan Nations" at Hayden Lake for both AN adherents and other right-wing groups. After losing a $6.3 million lawsuit in September 2000, brought by Victoria and Jason Keenan who were attacked by Aryan Nations guards in 1999, the group was bankrupted. In February 2001, the group's Hayden Lake compound and intellectual property including the names "Aryan Nations" and "Church of Jesus Christ Christian" were transferred to the Keenans." As for SE Idaho being more mormon influenced than other parts, that is true. Heavy mormon population in SE Idaho. I once went into a bank over there and they said to me "You're not from here, are you?" Idaho has a lot of agriculture and therefore lots of migrant workers, which has created a large hispanic population there. There is also a big hispanic gang problem with shootings, drugs, etc, but this is mainly Nampa and Caldwell areas.

01-29-2007, 03:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho There is a BYU in south east Idaho. Is it in Rexburg? I've heard that some towns are mostly mormon and that should be a serious consideration for non-mormon folks moving to Idaho. I've heard that in those towns non-mormons feel out of place. Does anyone know the towns that are mostly mormon? I'm lds...so I feel comfortable bring up the subject. I just think more details on where the larger populations of mormons are help non-mormons and mormons alike. Also, we see on line that homes are really affordable. But a lot of those homes in Boise area are in high crime areas such as Nampa and Caldwell. I've also heard that Garden City is questionable. What are the desirable areas to live in the Boise area? Also, does anyone know much about Emmetts? Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 04:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
PDXnative Omnipotent Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,829	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho If I was to ever again live in the Boise area, it would be in North Boise(?) where all of the historic homes are. It is real close to downtown.

01-29-2007, 06:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho That surprises me. Because on city-data. I read the lds concerns...over and over again. There were so many. It wasn't just a mention. The comments were both sides. "Not a problem", "Yeah lds live on both sides of me but not a problem", "I don't want to say too much they'll know it's me." To.." they don't include my kids in activities because we are not lds" There are many who are not casual in their thoughts on this subject. But I am glad to hear you don't think it is a problem:) Wouldn't be for me either...after all I'm lds. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 07:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho I just did a search on city-data, keyword mormon, state idaho. It came back with 75 posts on that one word. I didn't do lds or latter day saints. izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 07:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho I like the maps. I saw one of them before. It was very interesting. I wish cleozmom would chime in here...she lives in Idaho Falls. Thanks Rod...are you located in Idaho? I just see your status as American. It sounds like you have lived there or are a current resident. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 07:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
RodFarlee American Join Date: Jan 15th, 2007 Posts: 345	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho A curious observation in comparing official Church membership numbers with survey results... for all Christian religions, roughly three people declare adherence to a religion for every two which churches count as members of its congregations. In contrast, the LDS Church claims two members for each one which self-declares Church membership in surveys. This is such a stark contrast (3:2 vs 1:2) that one wonders whether there is a doctrinal reason? I'm not an expert on LDS doctrine, so perhaps a Church member could comment?

01-29-2007, 09:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho Uh, is this the spot where I mention that the "stronghold" for jehovah's witnesses is up by Shelley, ID?

01-29-2007, 10:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho Okay, From what I can gather...I'm no expert on doctrine either, I'm a convert myself...Our membership is reported by who attends sunday meetings, in a meeting house. There are lots of members who are two far from a meeting house to go. But they still meet in their homes and gather in a members home. They are still considered active, even though they cannot make it to church. The numbers become more confusing because we have some new converts...that don't stay with the church long. They feel very comfortable with the missionary that baptized them but...feel lost once the missionary moves on. Our church works hard to make them feel welcome. But we do lose members that have been recently converted. We have members that are attending and aren't counted. Example: We have three kids that are being adopted. They will finalize in Feb. They have been attending church for almost three years...but will not be counted as members until our adoption finalizes and are baptized at age 8. Our church members do adopt a lot of children. So these numbers go uncounted until finalization. Also, a child is not considered a member until they are baptized and confirmed when they are eight or older. There are lots of kids in our church. Last of all many of our active members are in third world countries...those members are often too far from a meeting house, but are counted by the missionaries that baptized them and they are active in their own towns on Sundays...without a meeting house:) For more info go to lds.org That is the best I can come up with. My husband is more involved with the missionary side, and meetings, trying to help new converts. DON'T hold me to every word...a lot is open to interpation of talks given by leaders of our church and my own experiences as a convert of the church. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 11:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho Okay, now that we covered the lds part of my post. How about how Idaho folks feel about californias. Do they blame california residents for raising the cost of homes and all the home building going on? What about over crowding from growth, do they blame us californian's for that too? I've read about californian's getting a real cold shoulder from some. Others say they are welcomed by their new neighbors. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-29-2007, 11:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho I agree. But they have the view that we, californians, are changing the lifestyle they choose...when they moved there. That change is unwelcomed by many. Accepted as "a sign of the times" by others. But a californian moving to a town that resents the change...could make it hard to adjust to a new life where you have no family support or friends. You move with the expectation that you will be welcomed if you move there with the right attitude. But you have to be given a chance first. I've heard of folks changing their ca plates as soon as possible to avoid unpleasentness. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-30-2007, 09:49 AM	#18 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho And Rod, that brings up what I feel is a misconception - or used to be. The perception across the country still relates the the Peace, Love and radical movements of the '60's, to Manson, to pocketed militia-groups. In fact, when I lived in CA, I was very surprised to find how many conservative, Christian and "redneck" folks there were. The square-dancing mecca. More small C&W bars than Rock & disco bars. The misconception that everybody from CA is wealthy and immoral is just that - a misconception. Some of these towns across America still resist changing from Wrangler's to Levis - and now that the choice is nearly gone - have settled back into their Wrangler's or, with WalMart's growth, Rustlers. Likewise, many Californians can't believe how little change there has been out here in rural America.

01-30-2007, 01:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho There you are! I remember someone saying (on that other site) that the seminarys (sp) are right next to the schools. We don't have that here in california. Is it true for the Idaho Falls area? I guess I will have to go look that up again. It was concerning a family moving to Idaho from another country and asking about how our school systems work. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-30-2007, 01:28 PM	#23 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho Hey! I found it. It was actually your post Cleozmom. Under preschools and kindergarden. A lady from Norway was asking about schools in Idaho. Back in Sept...remember it:) Anyway that says a lot about the strong lds presence in your area. Because we don't have anything like that here in our areas of california. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)

01-30-2007, 05:52 PM	#25 (permalink)
isabel STAYING RIGHT HERE Join Date: Jan 17th, 2007 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,356	Re: LDS, mormons in Idaho Well...I remembered someone said it. Just didn't remember it was you:) Is it still snowing back there? Hey, no one ever answered about Emmetts. What kinda place is it? Is the commute to Boise hazardous in the winter from there? The homes are a better buy there. Saw a farm house there a couple of months ago. Just what I was looking for. Darn. Izzy __________________ I discuss, I do not debate:)