Arm the teachers

[thecuban]

NC trying to pass the arming of teachers in class rooms. I personally don't think this will pass. I remember when I was a kid I had this one teacher that had these coke bottle glasses. She would have to put the book right up to her nose in order to read it. There is no way I would want her to be shooting at anybody while I am in the room.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by thecuban

NC trying to pass the arming of teachers in class rooms. I personally don't think this will pass. I remember when I was a kid I had this one teacher that had these coke bottle glasses. She would have to put the book right up to her nose in order to read it. There is no way I would want her to be shooting at anybody while I am in the room.

If I were a teacher, I would definitely want to be able to carry a gun...especially in some schools, but I do have mixed feelings on this. Half a century ago, I would have said 'no way'...a paddle is good enough.

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

If I were a teacher, I would definitely want to be able to carry a gun...especially in some schools, but I do have mixed feelings on this. Half a century ago, I would have said 'no way'...a paddle is good enough.

I also have mix feelings on this issue. I rather see a officer on campus though. At least we know he is trained on the safety of firing a gun in public. Something has to be done but not sure what.

[Wyody]

Once again, I think the problem AND the solution are bigger than just the issue that VA Tech brings to mind.
1) you can't put anyone with a gun around students. students will absolutely force gunfire just by being young, energetic, irrascible, obnoxious, overly smart, etc. Put a gun in a teacher's hand - someone will get shot. Put a gunman around students, someone will get shot ... and chances are high that it'll be the wrong person(s) getting shot.
2) I usually try to raise The Dufferz on this sort of stuff - but here's the deal: Our education system has far outlived it's usefulness. It's not this system's fault - it's just that the rest of the world has passed it up. Computers, Blackberries, Raspberries, PDA's, Cell-phones, cameras that talk, play, shoot and send, MP-3's.
It's time for Star-Trek. Gad, the social implications of not having kids in school - of being left to the "sound wisdom" of their parents - ....
We're Dinosaurs, Ladies and Gentlemen. I doubt that we can even fathom what the next step is - but there is a next step ... and somebody better come up with it pretty soon. Those "Hallowed Halls" we walked are obsolete. Those "Pep Rallies" we used to jump and cheer at - obsolete. Those bleachers we used to learn to smoke under - obsolete. Study Halls, cafeteria-lunch, choirs, bands, teams - obsolete. What are we supposed to do now?
(See, I told you we were dinosaurs).

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Once again, I think the problem AND the solution are bigger than just the issue that VA Tech brings to mind.
1) you can't put anyone with a gun around students. students will absolutely force gunfire just by being young, energetic, irrascible, obnoxious, overly smart, etc. Put a gun in a teacher's hand - someone will get shot. Put a gunman around students, someone will get shot ... and chances are high that it'll be the wrong person(s) getting shot.
2) I usually try to raise The Dufferz on this sort of stuff - but here's the deal: Our education system has far outlived it's usefulness. It's not this system's fault - it's just that the rest of the world has passed it up. Computers, Blackberries, Raspberries, PDA's, Cell-phones, cameras that talk, play, shoot and send, MP-3's.
It's time for Star-Trek. Gad, the social implications of not having kids in school - of being left to the "sound wisdom" of their parents - ....
We're Dinosaurs, Ladies and Gentlemen. I doubt that we can even fathom what the next step is - but there is a next step ... and somebody better come up with it pretty soon. Those "Hallowed Halls" we walked are obsolete. Those "Pep Rallies" we used to jump and cheer at - obsolete. Those bleachers we used to learn to smoke under - obsolete. Study Halls, cafeteria-lunch, choirs, bands, teams - obsolete. What are we supposed to do now?
(See, I told you we were dinosaurs).

Yep it's sad isn't it. It's getting way to dangerous these days to send your kids to school.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by a1m1700

Yep it's sad isn't it. It's getting way to dangerous these days to send your kids to school.

Yes. And some are way too dangerous to have around the house!!

[kimbercuddles]

So true, Odie! Thank goodness our four-year-old is still civil.

I think armed security is a good idea. Especially in the bigger cities. Treating the schools like airports (screening everything that comes into the school) may be a necessity in the future.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

So true, Odie! Thank goodness our four-year-old is still civil.

I think armed security is a good idea. Especially in the bigger cities. Treating the schools like airports (screening everything that comes into the school) may be a necessity in the future.

By Jove, I think you've hit upon something. How about keeping our kids in traditional schooling up until about the 5th grade. Then, until they're 16, they live, eat, learn and work on high-altitude Blimps set up as bio-sphere type places complete with food-growing capabilities then, they come back down to share sports and musical talents - then, they're sent to the moon right after getting their driver's licenses at 18 - and they don't come back until they're 25 and ready to make us grandparents ... hmmm ... outlandish?

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by Wyody

By Jove, I think you've hit upon something. How about keeping our kids in traditional schooling up until about the 5th grade. Then, until they're 16, they live, eat, learn and work on high-altitude Blimps set up as bio-sphere type places complete with food-growing capabilities then, they come back down to share sports and musical talents - then, they're sent to the moon right after getting their driver's licenses at 18 - and they don't come back until they're 25 and ready to make us grandparents ... hmmm ... outlandish?

Odie, I truly believe that you are one of the most creative people I know. I think I would miss my offspring way too much to do that.

I think part of the problem is that there are gadgets for absolutely every facet of life these days. Children aren't as creative as they used to be...there's no need to be...every toy and game they have does everything for them. We used to have so much fun playing in the sandbox and making pretend cities/zoos/theme parks. We read all the time. My parents set aside time to spend with each of us and we would discuss various issues. Television was a privilege and only a couple hours a day was allowed...after our homework was done. We honestly thought gay was synonymous for happy and pot was something a person cooked with. We never DARED disrespect our parents because there would be tough consequences to deal with.

If public schools were as strict and disciplined as our military, I think our children would benefit from it. Maybe that's outlandish, but it really might help. Too many children getting away with murder...sometimes literally.

[Wyody]

Thank you. Plenty creative. Wrong planet. Probably wrong time - but plenty of my whacko-predictions have come true in my lifetime - like solar storage-batteries (5th grade). The scientists then thought it to be a "childlike" suggestion that would never work. "How", they asked, "would one ever get solar energy into the batteries"?
One that has never come true (yet, anyway) is the notion of "Rubber Cars" - specially treated to never harden, formulated to cut weight and practically zero auto deaths per year. Another is the windmill-car (squirrel-cage/not paddles). Oh, what a world.

[a1m1700]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Yes. And some are way too dangerous to have around the house!!

Yes that too!!! Sad isn't it?

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Once again, I think the problem AND the solution are bigger than just the issue that VA Tech brings to mind.
1) you can't put anyone with a gun around students. students will absolutely force gunfire just by being young, energetic, irrascible, obnoxious, overly smart, etc. Put a gun in a teacher's hand - someone will get shot. Put a gunman around students, someone will get shot ... and chances are high that it'll be the wrong person(s) getting shot.
2) I usually try to raise The Dufferz on this sort of stuff - but here's the deal: Our education system has far outlived it's usefulness. It's not this system's fault - it's just that the rest of the world has passed it up. Computers, Blackberries, Raspberries, PDA's, Cell-phones, cameras that talk, play, shoot and send, MP-3's.
It's time for Star-Trek. Gad, the social implications of not having kids in school - of being left to the "sound wisdom" of their parents - ....
We're Dinosaurs, Ladies and Gentlemen. I doubt that we can even fathom what the next step is - but there is a next step ... and somebody better come up with it pretty soon. Those "Hallowed Halls" we walked are obsolete. Those "Pep Rallies" we used to jump and cheer at - obsolete. Those bleachers we used to learn to smoke under - obsolete. Study Halls, cafeteria-lunch, choirs, bands, teams - obsolete. What are we supposed to do now?
(See, I told you we were dinosaurs).

I think you speak for a lot of us. We advanced and changed dramatically in a relatively short time. Unfortunately change is only good if it could better society in a whole. Your right the problem is deep and the solution is easily dismissed because most of us never want to admit the truth. The truth is that we all have had a part of what I call the deterioration of our society. We have continued to except little by little our inner most sins to be excepted and integrated into society. Want to hear what we did to top that? We went a head and placed laws protect the very things that is ruining our society from us. Then we have become a banded society not willing to admit how the wound occurred. Big mistake!! What we need is our leaders and soon to be leaders step up and admit what has gone wrong and start reversing the wrong doing. Then only then will the real healing occur.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by thecuban

I think you speak for a lot of us. We advanced and changed dramatically in a relatively short time. Unfortunately change is only good if it could better society in a whole. Your right the problem is deep and the solution is easily dismissed because most of us never want to admit the truth. The truth is that we all have had a part of what I call the deterioration of our society. We have continued to except little by little our inner most sins to be excepted and integrated into society. Want to hear what we did to top that? We went a head and placed laws protect the very things that is ruining our society from us. Then we have become a banded society not willing to admit how the wound occurred. Big mistake!! What we need is our leaders and soon to be leaders step up and admit what has gone wrong and start reversing the wrong doing. Then only then will the real healing occur.

Good observations, Cuban, but what are the odds of reversing the damage that has already been done? I agree with you, but many people do not and would love to see things progress in the way that they have been.

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Good observations, Cuban, but what are the odds of reversing the damage that has already been done? I agree with you, but many people do not and would love to see things progress in the way that they have been.

Unfortunately your so right! I hate being the doom and gloom guy. In my field I preach against that in fact I ask the people not to come to me with a problem unless they had an idea of a solution. I believe there is a solution to every problem unfortunately some solutions takes harsh actions. Actions that might take us out of our comfort zone for a while. All us small people can do is vote for a candidate that can promote this type of change. I am not looking for a perfect person or one that covers all my points of views but one that can start the ball rolling with a plan. I believe so far its Juliani and I tell you why. I was raised in NY and walked through neighborhoods like 42nd st. l seen things that I questioned why was it being allowed? Juliani cleaned up those streets that existed as long as I remember. If he can do it for NY I say he deserves my vote. I haven't even touched on 911 and how he helped with NY's recovery. So far I don't see anybody with a history like he has held that deserves to hold the title. Lets hire somebody with the best resume to run our country for once.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by thecuban

Unfortunately your so right! I hate being the doom and gloom guy. In my field I preach against that in fact I ask the people not to come to me with a problem unless they had an idea of a solution. I believe there is a solution to every problem unfortunately some solutions takes harsh actions. Actions that might take us out of our comfort zone for a while. All us small people can do is vote for a candidate that can promote this type of change. I am not looking for a perfect person or one that covers all my points of views but one that can start the ball rolling with a plan. I believe so far its Juliani and I tell you why. I was raised in NY and walked through neighborhoods like 42nd st. l seen things that I questioned why was it being allowed? Juliani cleaned up those streets that existed as long as I remember. If he can do it for NY I say he deserves my vote. I haven't even touched on 911 and how he helped with NY's recovery. So far I don't see anybody with a history like he has held that deserves to hold the title. Lets hire somebody with the best resume to run our country for once.

Very interesting, Cuban! As far as NY and post 9-11, he has an excellent track record. I would vote for him if he were the nominee for the Republican party. I question his border policies, but he seems to be a very sincere person and that means a fair amount to me.

p.s. Which field are you in, if you don't mind me asking?

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Very interesting, Cuban! As far as NY and post 9-11, he has an excellent track record. I would vote for him if he were the nominee for the Republican party. I question his border policies, but he seems to be a very sincere person and that means a fair amount to me.

p.s. Which field are you in, if you don't mind me asking?

Construction. I am PM for a builder.

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by thecuban

Construction. I am PM for a builder.

Hmmm...in San Antonio, I worked for a custom home builder and I really loved it. Especially loved the people...

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Hmmm...in San Antonio, I worked for a custom home builder and I really loved it. Especially loved the people...

It gets challenging at times but I really like what I do as well?

[kimbercuddles]

Originally Posted by thecuban

It gets challenging at times but I really like what I do as well?

Challenge is what makes a person better...but I really like the question mark at the end of your sentence.

[thecuban]

Originally Posted by kimbercuddles

Challenge is what makes a person better...but I really like the question mark at the end of your sentence.

Woops!

[jabm67]

Point of information: is the arming for K-12 teachers, or for college university instructors? Va Tech is mentioned as a justification, but then precollege instructors are described in the discussion.

I do teach at a university (not in NC, of course). I don't see arming the faculty as an answer to anything.