Trans-Texas Highway

**Panterro** · 09-16-2007, 12:05 AM

Ok I have recently been doing some reading on this thing.. now I am not sure what to think.. is this link a paranoid rumor monger, or are they dead on and I should start to worry?

North American Super Highway - Selling America piece by piece to the enemy

Let me know your thoughts..

**Wyoming53** · 09-16-2007, 12:08 AM

Start to worry. It's more fact then fiction.

**Panterro** · 09-16-2007, 12:38 AM

You think so? really? how do we as Americans fight back, and save our country if this is more fact than fiction?

**PDXnative** · 09-16-2007, 01:49 AM

LOL, "pennies on the dollar"? Right!! Working for a government agency I can honestly say that the MINIMUM people get for their land that is needed for right-of-way is fair market value. Many times, it is above fair market value.

Beware of any website that is against anthing. You need to find another one that is for it and kind of read between the lines for the truth. There are lots of plans out there for infrastructure that may or may not get built.

**Wyoming53** · 09-16-2007, 06:34 PM

Here's a little reading for you Panterra. You'll see it's not just a thought, even Texas is now passing bills to reroute or deter it if they can. Would the legislature in Texas come up with bills for the legislature if it weren't happening?

Townhall.com::The NAFTA super highway::By Patrick J. Buchanan

Ron Pauls Campain.
The NAFTA Superhighway

Is Guilani part of it?

NAFTA Superhighway has Giuliani as key player

WorldNetDaily: How NAFTA superhighway is built under radar screen

WorldNetDaily: NAFTA Superhighway hits bump in road

**Wyoming53** · 09-16-2007, 11:39 PM

Here's one more. This one is a report straight from the horses mouth.

http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf

**Panterro** · 09-17-2007, 12:21 PM

Thanks I will look into thouse and let you know what I find out.

I know when I drove fro SWIFT Transport, we ( the drivers ) had talked that if they allowed this and took American jobs we would park our trucks on every major highway in America in protest.. blocking movement and making everything come to a hault. Wonder if that plan is still being considered by most drivers?

**Wyoming53** · 09-17-2007, 01:13 PM

That was pretty much discussed by Jim Hoffa. He filed a lawsuit to stay the operation and it was overturned. So he walked away steaming.

So far, they've stopped the trucks entering into the US, but they haven't curbed the highway project. Look at the 69 corridor. What's it needed for? It's already a divided scenic highway. Why are they wanting to rebuild it? Just so Reynosa can connect to 35?

**Wyody** · 09-17-2007, 06:12 PM

Well, I'm not sure what to think about this whole story - too much I don't know yet like :
Is this Kansas City Missouri or Kansas City Kansas? (Anybody here from Kansas? No? Good) My first thought is wasted - that's "Who cares about Kansas"? But I know somebody does so, drop that thought.
Second thought is: Lots of countries have "sovereign" lots in the country for embassies and such - so, on the surface at least, that doesn't bother me - I kinda think it might be a good idea! (Will they serve enchiladas?)
The "highway" itself doesn't bother me - I-25 has been used for years the same way - as has I-5, I-15, etc.
Admittedly, I haven't read all the links and such but I'm not really sure what special problem this creates for Texas - or more, what new, special problem.
I also perceive that it may allow Mexican trucks in the country. Uh, that does scare me a little bit. However, as far as it costing Americans jobs .... Well Shucks, that just keeps happening and happening and happening .... and if I heard right in the 50's and 60's, we're not supposed to be working anymore anyway. We're supposed to all be rich, fat-cats while our toasters check our mailboxes for checks! Ohhh, what a world.
Maybe I'm just not getting the point. Maybe I just have no fear in me.
Thanks for the info though - it does pique my interest, finally.

**Wyoming53** · 09-17-2007, 07:18 PM

Odie,

the "Super Highway" is supposed to run up the I-35 corridor. However, I would think that they wouldn't want to run through a metro like Kansas City, either Mo or K. Which way they'll swing is anybody's guess. But I don't think they'll drive it right up the center of Kansas City Mo.

**Wyody** · 09-18-2007, 11:36 AM

I must've missed it in the details but is this a "lock-down highway"? Caged? Or, will the public be using this road along with our "own" commercial vehicles and emergency jets?
The idea of a long, snake-like cage running over a multi-lane freeway would be the scream!! I'm against the border-fence 'cause of the futility and cost and morality - but a caged highway would be an absolute ... imagine our grandkids telling their grandkids "Hey, wanna know something else those dumb suckers did"? What a Hoot!
The other weird thought I have regards the "mini-mass-exodus" of people leaving Missouri in small droves late '80's - early 90's as they learned to fear a great Fault in the Earth that could split Missouri in two. I mean, they already fear the earthquake and their discomfort would be more intense than if the San Andreas went off because, with the San Andreas, you either drown or you're dry eh? You either fall into the Ocean or you're up on the hill. However, in Missouri, everything is coming for you - the floods, the drifting houses, the slides, the boulders, the train-cars, Illini.
But I'm thinking of the two points together, i.e. "Earthquake levels caged highway" and how smart those Missourians were to hustle America to build something so unique and totally weird before they all moved away!

**Wyoming53** · 09-18-2007, 12:12 PM

From what I understand, we will also be using the highway. Every plan I've seen is to simply expand 35 into a super highway with 4 lanes going in each direction. Exits only at major highways, not every street.

**Panterro** · 09-18-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyody

I must've missed it in the details but is this a "lock-down highway"? Caged? Or, will the public be using this road along with our "own" commercial vehicles and emergency jets?
The idea of a long, snake-like cage running over a multi-lane freeway would be the scream!! I'm against the border-fence 'cause of the futility and cost and morality - but a caged highway would be an absolute ... imagine our grandkids telling their grandkids "Hey, wanna know something else those dumb suckers did"? What a Hoot!
The other weird thought I have regards the "mini-mass-exodus" of people leaving Missouri in small droves late '80's - early 90's as they learned to fear a great Fault in the Earth that could split Missouri in two. I mean, they already fear the earthquake and their discomfort would be more intense than if the San Andreas went off because, with the San Andreas, you either drown or you're dry eh? You either fall into the Ocean or you're up on the hill. However, in Missouri, everything is coming for you - the floods, the drifting houses, the slides, the boulders, the train-cars, Illini.
But I'm thinking of the two points together, i.e. "Earthquake levels caged highway" and how smart those Missourians were to hustle America to build something so unique and totally weird before they all moved away!

Oh now I know your a bleeding heart liberal.. so old you dont care what happens to our nation and so young that it wont bother you either way. Nice to know.

Yeah I too am against the wall.. it should be a mile wide moat filled with some man eating fish or mammals. But then again I would love to see the movie Escape from LA become a reality with a huge wall and check points all along it here and there with huge machine guns and all that pointed out of the country.. now that would be a hoot.

You know if Someone in this country would give me a plane ticket and a few thousand dollars I would be happy to return to my roots to live and stay.. so any of you hispanic orgs who want whitey to go home pay me to do it and im outta here.

**PDXnative** · 09-18-2007, 06:08 PM

Need a build a wall like that on the Canadian border, too!!! Those dang Canuks trying to steal our our jobs and talking real funny, eh?

**Panterro** · 09-18-2007, 11:03 PM

I know a couple that work in the IT sector in Seattle.. and they are taking our JOBS. I want that job, so what I don't have the experience they do.. What gives them the right to come over here and take our jobs damn Canadians. heh heh.

Whats funny is I don't see anyone screaming about all the other races that come here illegally.. like the Irish or the Indians from India that over stay visas and what not. Funny huh.

**Wyoming53** · 09-18-2007, 11:53 PM

You've been in law enforcement. Do you go after the masses or do you go after the individuals. Ideally, you'd go after all. But when you wage a war on speeding, you go after the tons of people doing 10+ over. You don't worry yourself about the 3mph over people. Clean up the masses, then you can concentrate on the individuals.

**Panterro** · 09-18-2007, 11:57 PM

Naw, we just put out spike strips and hope we get the speeder in the process. heh heh, this is Texas after all.

What has that got to do with anything said so far.. I am a little dense.. One too many blows to the head when wrestling with a suspect. You may need to be a bit more clearer for me.

**Wyoming53** · 09-19-2007, 12:34 AM

I'm saying that South America and Mexico are the biggest problem. The 3 Irish guys will wait.

**Wyody** · 09-19-2007, 11:40 AM

[quote=Panterro;17916]Oh now I know your a bleeding heart liberal.. so old you dont care what happens to our nation and so young that it wont bother you either way. Nice to know.
Now, I'm not sure how you drew such an assumption out of the quoted passage ... but for correctness, I think it should be reversed, i.e, "so old it won't bother me either way". Don't bug me 'til I'm done wrestling with these dreadlocks, okay? (note -- a good Scorpio heart never bleeds!)

Yeah I too am against the wall.. it should be a mile wide moat filled with some man eating fish or mammals. But then again I would love to see the movie Escape from LA become a reality with a huge wall and check points all along it here and there with huge machine guns and all that pointed out of the country.. now that would be a hoot.
I like this idea as well. My problem is that I always see myself in the lead - the rebel, the armed, the logically-insane .... and I might be too old for acrobatics anymore (they say, Pan, that once you're over 40, you should never put yourself in any position where your butt is above your own head).

quote] (please be advised that Wyody has no dreadlocks - he's fibbing again. signed>alter ego)

**Panterro** · 09-19-2007, 11:57 AM

Thats true Wyoming.. good point.

Wyody, you said it yourself your so old it wont bother you either way.. so let the flood begin.. you'll be dead soon and the country can goto hell for all you care.. thats nice.

The system is breaking in this country.. we reward criminals, we punish law enforcement and tie their hands so they can not do their jobs, and we have so many people going to prision that we have to let out people to make room for those going in. Our prisons are training grounds for these people..
oops sorry wrong topic.. were talking about illegals. But then again illegals are criminals.. they break our laws to come here in the manner they do.

I am not hispanic.. I am mostly Scottish, with a smidgen of English that gets beat down into the corner of my body by the Scottish side of me. I am also a tad American Indian. I am not against the people south of us.. regardless of anything once said by me. I do not like the flood of aliens coming into this country, I think its a lie that people use that they only do the jobs Americans wont do, it comforts thier reasoning for allowing such criminal behaivor. I full understand that some of these people do it looking for a better life, and for a way to feed their starving families back home in Mexico. But I think these problems need to be addressed by our two countries and fixed so that there is no longer a need to come to our country to seek a better way of life. My question though is I have been to Mexico a few times deep inside of the country, and I see a country that does not look poverty stricken at all.. seems to be plenty of oppertunties there.. why are they still coming here instead of going deeper into their country?

Since I am Scottish I would go back to Scottland. If I was Hispanic, I would go back to Spain.

**Wyoming53** · 09-19-2007, 12:40 PM

I worked for a company down in Grand Prairie Texas that decided to move their operations to Mexico. I was elected to go down there and set up the plant and train the folks on how to build cables. We built computer cables, telephone cables, wiring harness for clean room robotics for chip manufacturing, etc.

The plant in Mexico was a pretty nice setup for the folks. They started at 7 and got all the equipment set up and materials set up for that days work. Then at 8, they were given a one hour break and served breakfast (free) in the cafeteria. Then they worked till 12:30 and they were given another hour break for lunch (free) in the cafeteria. At 2:30, they were given a 20 minute break. The work day ended at 4:00. There was a office set up for a nurse the company hired. The workers could go in with a cold, hangnail, broken finger, or whatever. There was a sick call that started every morning at 8 and went till noon. Women could schedule appointments after 12 for breast exams, pap smears, pregnancy tests, etc. The workers were furnished with "Redwing" steel toed boots. Free. They were given 3 shirts, 3 pair of pants, and 3 smocks. These items had their names embroidered onto the shirts. They sewed in an id in the pants. At the end of each day they would throw the clothes into a big box and the company had them professionally cleaned and pressed. So you can see it was a pretty nice set up.

While working down there with those folks I learned quite a bit about them. As a Process Engineering Manager I was making $65k a year. My counterpart in Mexico was making $27k. The workers were making about $4 an hour. But you also have to figure that their apartment they were renting was only about $180 a month. While talking with them I would ask them, "Have you ever thought about sneaking across the border and seaking a better wage?" Every one I asked said, "Oh no, that is illegal. I have a good job. I'm not getting rich, but I pay my bills. I'm ok."

So that tells me that the people that do cross the border are less then honorable or they would be working in those plants. Emerson (refer's, tv's, radio's, etc), Ridgid Tools, Johnson Connectors, Fiber Optics, Alarm panels (fire equipment), etc were the buildings right around us. Seems a lot of business' take work over there.

That was in Reynosa Mexico. Just the other side of the river from McAllen Texas. All of these company's have their warehouses on the Texas side. They truck needed material for that days build, the day before it is scheduled to build. They do that because Mexico imposses a 17% tax on all material that is on the Mexico side for more then 15 days. So they truck it over the day before, build it, and get it back into Texas the next day.

**Wyody** · 09-19-2007, 01:43 PM

Pan, , I can usually present my own thoughts well enough for most to understand ... and there is often the occasional bright-star that actually "gets it". Not that I'm that "deep", just that there is usually a page2 between my lines. Thanks for the effort, however. No need to waste time twisting things to fit any irrelevant "points". I'm entertained by most of your postings just as they read! No need for me to try and tell folks what you're saying - I might get it wrong. Peace.

53, your story reminds me of exactly how many illegal aliens I've actually known. It just might be zero. Anybody else known someone here illegally? Everybody I've known from Mexico has been carded and so, I have no real take on what drives others to do it illegally. I've known people who were Border Patrol agents, even considered doing it myself at one time. I've known legals ... I did know one fellow who'd been in this country for like, 60 years - went to school here and had even retired from the military and then retired from a second federal job - but when the hoopla started a very few years ago, he was sweating being deported 'cause there was one piece of paperwork he'd never turned in decades ago. He didn't get sent away - don't know if any problem ever came up ... and not sure whether to think of him as an illegal or not - he's my uncle!

deeptrance · 10-03-2007, 10:12 AM

Interesting thread.

I don't fear highways. I think this is needed. There are some aspects of how it's being done that are troubling but I don't see any cause for hysteria.

Those of us who have driven portions of the new Texas 130 freeway, which is an integral part of the "NAFTA Freeway", can attest to the fact that it's simply a good road that helps you bypass the mess of congestion on I-35. Land speculators are gobbling up property all along the route where this road is completed, planned, or under construction. So what?

We already buy tons of stuff from Mexico, so why should it upset people that there is a massive construction process under way to help get goods in and out of that country? I really don't get why people are so freaked out about it, unless they're listening to Alex Jones all day. And if you're doing that, then you've already tossed reason out the window. Buena suerte, amigos.

**Wyoming53** · 10-03-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by deeptrance

Interesting thread.

I don't fear highways. I think this is needed. There are some aspects of how it's being done that are troubling but I don't see any cause for hysteria.

Those of us who have driven portions of the new Texas 130 freeway, which is an integral part of the "NAFTA Freeway", can attest to the fact that it's simply a good road that helps you bypass the mess of congestion on I-35. Land speculators are gobbling up property all along the route where this road is completed, planned, or under construction. So what?

We already buy tons of stuff from Mexico, so why should it upset people that there is a massive construction process under way to help get goods in and out of that country? I really don't get why people are so freaked out about it, unless they're listening to Alex Jones all day. And if you're doing that, then you've already tossed reason out the window. Buena suerte, amigos.

I'm not so freaked by the highway. I'm freaked more by the fact that they've granted wavers to Mexico trucks to drive into the US. No permits required, no safety inspection, no border inspection. These loads will be inspected at the point of origin. So they won't be paying for the pavement they are wearing out. They could be driving dangerous rigs and we won't know till they kill a few people.

Our truckers are required to have DOT permits. They won't. Our truckers are required to be licensed in every state they drive in, or at least stop and buy a temporary permit to drive in that state. They won't.

They are waivered by the federal gov to transport anywhere and everywhere with out being liable.

**Panterro** · 10-03-2007, 04:22 PM

Wyoming I agree, as a former Truck Driver.. I hear your fears and I too have them. I recall sitting in a truck stop in Flagstaff talking with a few drivers, and they had said if they allow them to drive in this country, they would park their rigs in the middle of the highway and block traffic for miles.. this was the consensus of many truckers.. and some said they would just quit.. why pay 180 bucks for a hazmat endorsement and do everything right when these assholes wont have too.

Curious George · 10-03-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyoming53

I'm not so freaked by the highway. I'm freaked more by the fact that they've granted wavers to Mexico trucks to drive into the US. No permits required, no safety inspection, no border inspection. These loads will be inspected at the point of origin. So they won't be paying for the pavement they are wearing out. They could be driving dangerous rigs and we won't know till they kill a few people.

Our truckers are required to have DOT permits. They won't. Our truckers are required to be licensed in every state they drive in, or at least stop and buy a temporary permit to drive in that state. They won't.

They are waivered by the federal gov to transport anywhere and everywhere with out being liable.

Don’t forget the IFTA tax , (for those that don’t know )each state has a different fuel tax, so every trucker has to figure out miles driver in every state , gallons of fuel bought in every state divide by miles per gallon truck gets an send in the tax to the state he home to an that state will divi it out to all the states.

Curious George · 10-03-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Panterro

Wyoming I agree, as a former Truck Driver.. I hear your fears and I too have them. I recall sitting in a truck stop in Flagstaff talking with a few drivers, and they had said if they allow them to drive in this country, they would park their rigs in the middle of the highway and block traffic for miles.. this was the consensus of many truckers.. and some said they would just quit.. why pay 180 bucks for a hazmat endorsement and do everything right when these assholes wont have too.

Just to keep the facts straight , Mexicans are not allowed to hall hazmat .

**Wyoming53** · 10-03-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

Just to keep the facts straight , Mexicans are not allowed to hall hazmat .

Sure they won't wave that too?

Curious George · 10-03-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyoming53

Sure they won't wave that too?

Well I don’t like the whole deal either , they are suppose to fallow all the same regs as us an for now they aren’t allowed to hall hazmat. One thing to note , the Canadians can operate in the usa an we up there , you just need a passport to get back in now. I know some guys that go back an forth for racing an some times it’s a 45min check of there rig.

deeptrance · 10-03-2007, 06:02 PM

09-16-2007, 12:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Trans-Texas Highway Ok I have recently been doing some reading on this thing.. now I am not sure what to think.. is this link a paranoid rumor monger, or are they dead on and I should start to worry? North American Super Highway - Selling America piece by piece to the enemy Let me know your thoughts.. __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

09-16-2007, 12:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Start to worry. It's more fact then fiction. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-16-2007, 12:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Trans-Texas Highway You think so? really? how do we as Americans fight back, and save our country if this is more fact than fiction? __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

09-16-2007, 01:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
PDXnative Omnipotent Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,850	Re: Trans-Texas Highway LOL, "pennies on the dollar"? Right!! Working for a government agency I can honestly say that the MINIMUM people get for their land that is needed for right-of-way is fair market value. Many times, it is above fair market value. Beware of any website that is against anthing. You need to find another one that is for it and kind of read between the lines for the truth. There are lots of plans out there for infrastructure that may or may not get built. __________________ Where are we going, and why am I in this hand basket???

09-16-2007, 06:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Here's a little reading for you Panterra. You'll see it's not just a thought, even Texas is now passing bills to reroute or deter it if they can. Would the legislature in Texas come up with bills for the legislature if it weren't happening? Townhall.com::The NAFTA super highway::By Patrick J. Buchanan Ron Pauls Campain. The NAFTA Superhighway Is Guilani part of it? NAFTA Superhighway has Giuliani as key player WorldNetDaily: How NAFTA superhighway is built under radar screen WorldNetDaily: NAFTA Superhighway hits bump in road __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-16-2007, 11:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Here's one more. This one is a report straight from the horses mouth. http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-17-2007, 12:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Thanks I will look into thouse and let you know what I find out. I know when I drove fro SWIFT Transport, we ( the drivers ) had talked that if they allowed this and took American jobs we would park our trucks on every major highway in America in protest.. blocking movement and making everything come to a hault. Wonder if that plan is still being considered by most drivers? __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

09-17-2007, 01:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway That was pretty much discussed by Jim Hoffa. He filed a lawsuit to stay the operation and it was overturned. So he walked away steaming. So far, they've stopped the trucks entering into the US, but they haven't curbed the highway project. Look at the 69 corridor. What's it needed for? It's already a divided scenic highway. Why are they wanting to rebuild it? Just so Reynosa can connect to 35? __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-17-2007, 06:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Well, I'm not sure what to think about this whole story - too much I don't know yet like : Is this Kansas City Missouri or Kansas City Kansas? (Anybody here from Kansas? No? Good) My first thought is wasted - that's "Who cares about Kansas"? But I know somebody does so, drop that thought. Second thought is: Lots of countries have "sovereign" lots in the country for embassies and such - so, on the surface at least, that doesn't bother me - I kinda think it might be a good idea! (Will they serve enchiladas?) The "highway" itself doesn't bother me - I-25 has been used for years the same way - as has I-5, I-15, etc. Admittedly, I haven't read all the links and such but I'm not really sure what special problem this creates for Texas - or more, what new, special problem. I also perceive that it may allow Mexican trucks in the country. Uh, that does scare me a little bit. However, as far as it costing Americans jobs .... Well Shucks, that just keeps happening and happening and happening .... and if I heard right in the 50's and 60's, we're not supposed to be working anymore anyway. We're supposed to all be rich, fat-cats while our toasters check our mailboxes for checks! Ohhh, what a world. Maybe I'm just not getting the point. Maybe I just have no fear in me. Thanks for the info though - it does pique my interest, finally. __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

09-17-2007, 07:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Odie, the "Super Highway" is supposed to run up the I-35 corridor. However, I would think that they wouldn't want to run through a metro like Kansas City, either Mo or K. Which way they'll swing is anybody's guess. But I don't think they'll drive it right up the center of Kansas City Mo. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-18-2007, 11:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Trans-Texas Highway I must've missed it in the details but is this a "lock-down highway"? Caged? Or, will the public be using this road along with our "own" commercial vehicles and emergency jets? The idea of a long, snake-like cage running over a multi-lane freeway would be the scream!! I'm against the border-fence 'cause of the futility and cost and morality - but a caged highway would be an absolute ... imagine our grandkids telling their grandkids "Hey, wanna know something else those dumb suckers did"? What a Hoot! The other weird thought I have regards the "mini-mass-exodus" of people leaving Missouri in small droves late '80's - early 90's as they learned to fear a great Fault in the Earth that could split Missouri in two. I mean, they already fear the earthquake and their discomfort would be more intense than if the San Andreas went off because, with the San Andreas, you either drown or you're dry eh? You either fall into the Ocean or you're up on the hill. However, in Missouri, everything is coming for you - the floods, the drifting houses, the slides, the boulders, the train-cars, Illini. But I'm thinking of the two points together, i.e. "Earthquake levels caged highway" and how smart those Missourians were to hustle America to build something so unique and totally weird before they all moved away! __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

09-18-2007, 12:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway From what I understand, we will also be using the highway. Every plan I've seen is to simply expand 35 into a super highway with 4 lanes going in each direction. Exits only at major highways, not every street. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-18-2007, 06:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
PDXnative Omnipotent Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,850	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Need a build a wall like that on the Canadian border, too!!! Those dang Canuks trying to steal our our jobs and talking real funny, eh? __________________ Where are we going, and why am I in this hand basket???

09-18-2007, 11:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Trans-Texas Highway I know a couple that work in the IT sector in Seattle.. and they are taking our JOBS. I want that job, so what I don't have the experience they do.. What gives them the right to come over here and take our jobs damn Canadians. heh heh. Whats funny is I don't see anyone screaming about all the other races that come here illegally.. like the Irish or the Indians from India that over stay visas and what not. Funny huh. __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

09-18-2007, 11:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway You've been in law enforcement. Do you go after the masses or do you go after the individuals. Ideally, you'd go after all. But when you wage a war on speeding, you go after the tons of people doing 10+ over. You don't worry yourself about the 3mph over people. Clean up the masses, then you can concentrate on the individuals. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-18-2007, 11:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Naw, we just put out spike strips and hope we get the speeder in the process. heh heh, this is Texas after all. What has that got to do with anything said so far.. I am a little dense.. One too many blows to the head when wrestling with a suspect. You may need to be a bit more clearer for me. __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

09-19-2007, 12:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway I'm saying that South America and Mexico are the biggest problem. The 3 Irish guys will wait. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-19-2007, 11:40 AM	#19 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Trans-Texas Highway [quote=Panterro;17916]Oh now I know your a bleeding heart liberal.. so old you dont care what happens to our nation and so young that it wont bother you either way. Nice to know. Now, I'm not sure how you drew such an assumption out of the quoted passage ... but for correctness, I think it should be reversed, i.e, "so old it won't bother me either way". Don't bug me 'til I'm done wrestling with these dreadlocks, okay? (note -- a good Scorpio heart never bleeds!) Yeah I too am against the wall.. it should be a mile wide moat filled with some man eating fish or mammals. But then again I would love to see the movie Escape from LA become a reality with a huge wall and check points all along it here and there with huge machine guns and all that pointed out of the country.. now that would be a hoot. I like this idea as well. My problem is that I always see myself in the lead - the rebel, the armed, the logically-insane .... and I might be too old for acrobatics anymore (they say, Pan, that once you're over 40, you should never put yourself in any position where your butt is above your own head). quote] (please be advised that Wyody has no dreadlocks - he's fibbing again. signed>alter ego) __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

09-19-2007, 11:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Thats true Wyoming.. good point. Wyody, you said it yourself your so old it wont bother you either way.. so let the flood begin.. you'll be dead soon and the country can goto hell for all you care.. thats nice. The system is breaking in this country.. we reward criminals, we punish law enforcement and tie their hands so they can not do their jobs, and we have so many people going to prision that we have to let out people to make room for those going in. Our prisons are training grounds for these people.. oops sorry wrong topic.. were talking about illegals. But then again illegals are criminals.. they break our laws to come here in the manner they do. I am not hispanic.. I am mostly Scottish, with a smidgen of English that gets beat down into the corner of my body by the Scottish side of me. I am also a tad American Indian. I am not against the people south of us.. regardless of anything once said by me. I do not like the flood of aliens coming into this country, I think its a lie that people use that they only do the jobs Americans wont do, it comforts thier reasoning for allowing such criminal behaivor. I full understand that some of these people do it looking for a better life, and for a way to feed their starving families back home in Mexico. But I think these problems need to be addressed by our two countries and fixed so that there is no longer a need to come to our country to seek a better way of life. My question though is I have been to Mexico a few times deep inside of the country, and I see a country that does not look poverty stricken at all.. seems to be plenty of oppertunties there.. why are they still coming here instead of going deeper into their country? Since I am Scottish I would go back to Scottland. If I was Hispanic, I would go back to Spain. __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

09-19-2007, 12:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
Wyoming53 Hermit Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: Sheridan, Wy. Posts: 1,522	Re: Trans-Texas Highway I worked for a company down in Grand Prairie Texas that decided to move their operations to Mexico. I was elected to go down there and set up the plant and train the folks on how to build cables. We built computer cables, telephone cables, wiring harness for clean room robotics for chip manufacturing, etc. The plant in Mexico was a pretty nice setup for the folks. They started at 7 and got all the equipment set up and materials set up for that days work. Then at 8, they were given a one hour break and served breakfast (free) in the cafeteria. Then they worked till 12:30 and they were given another hour break for lunch (free) in the cafeteria. At 2:30, they were given a 20 minute break. The work day ended at 4:00. There was a office set up for a nurse the company hired. The workers could go in with a cold, hangnail, broken finger, or whatever. There was a sick call that started every morning at 8 and went till noon. Women could schedule appointments after 12 for breast exams, pap smears, pregnancy tests, etc. The workers were furnished with "Redwing" steel toed boots. Free. They were given 3 shirts, 3 pair of pants, and 3 smocks. These items had their names embroidered onto the shirts. They sewed in an id in the pants. At the end of each day they would throw the clothes into a big box and the company had them professionally cleaned and pressed. So you can see it was a pretty nice set up. While working down there with those folks I learned quite a bit about them. As a Process Engineering Manager I was making $65k a year. My counterpart in Mexico was making $27k. The workers were making about $4 an hour. But you also have to figure that their apartment they were renting was only about $180 a month. While talking with them I would ask them, "Have you ever thought about sneaking across the border and seaking a better wage?" Every one I asked said, "Oh no, that is illegal. I have a good job. I'm not getting rich, but I pay my bills. I'm ok." So that tells me that the people that do cross the border are less then honorable or they would be working in those plants. Emerson (refer's, tv's, radio's, etc), Ridgid Tools, Johnson Connectors, Fiber Optics, Alarm panels (fire equipment), etc were the buildings right around us. Seems a lot of business' take work over there. That was in Reynosa Mexico. Just the other side of the river from McAllen Texas. All of these company's have their warehouses on the Texas side. They truck needed material for that days build, the day before it is scheduled to build. They do that because Mexico imposses a 17% tax on all material that is on the Mexico side for more then 15 days. So they truck it over the day before, build it, and get it back into Texas the next day. __________________ Wyoming Heat.

09-19-2007, 01:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
Wyody arrgh, me buckoes Join Date: Jan 14th, 2007 Posts: 2,142	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Pan, , I can usually present my own thoughts well enough for most to understand ... and there is often the occasional bright-star that actually "gets it". Not that I'm that "deep", just that there is usually a page2 between my lines. Thanks for the effort, however. No need to waste time twisting things to fit any irrelevant "points". I'm entertained by most of your postings just as they read! No need for me to try and tell folks what you're saying - I might get it wrong. Peace. 53, your story reminds me of exactly how many illegal aliens I've actually known. It just might be zero. Anybody else known someone here illegally? Everybody I've known from Mexico has been carded and so, I have no real take on what drives others to do it illegally. I've known people who were Border Patrol agents, even considered doing it myself at one time. I've known legals ... I did know one fellow who'd been in this country for like, 60 years - went to school here and had even retired from the military and then retired from a second federal job - but when the hoopla started a very few years ago, he was sweating being deported 'cause there was one piece of paperwork he'd never turned in decades ago. He didn't get sent away - don't know if any problem ever came up ... and not sure whether to think of him as an illegal or not - he's my uncle! __________________ Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. <Mark Twain>

10-03-2007, 10:12 AM	#23 (permalink)
deeptrance Member Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 265	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Interesting thread. I don't fear highways. I think this is needed. There are some aspects of how it's being done that are troubling but I don't see any cause for hysteria. Those of us who have driven portions of the new Texas 130 freeway, which is an integral part of the "NAFTA Freeway", can attest to the fact that it's simply a good road that helps you bypass the mess of congestion on I-35. Land speculators are gobbling up property all along the route where this road is completed, planned, or under construction. So what? We already buy tons of stuff from Mexico, so why should it upset people that there is a massive construction process under way to help get goods in and out of that country? I really don't get why people are so freaked out about it, unless they're listening to Alex Jones all day. And if you're doing that, then you've already tossed reason out the window. Buena suerte, amigos.

10-03-2007, 04:22 PM	#25 (permalink)
Panterro TEXAS ***** ADVISOR Join Date: Jan 21st, 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,512	Re: Trans-Texas Highway Wyoming I agree, as a former Truck Driver.. I hear your fears and I too have them. I recall sitting in a truck stop in Flagstaff talking with a few drivers, and they had said if they allow them to drive in this country, they would park their rigs in the middle of the highway and block traffic for miles.. this was the consensus of many truckers.. and some said they would just quit.. why pay 180 bucks for a hazmat endorsement and do everything right when these assholes wont have too. __________________ "No ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we're aware of".

10-03-2007, 06:02 PM	#30 (permalink)
deeptrance Member Join Date: Jan 16th, 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 265	Re: Trans-Texas Highway