Interesting Article

[PDXnative]

I have had three Mormon relatives commit suicide. All in the same side of the family. Messed up......

Low Suicide Rate Among Active LDS (Mormons)

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by PDXnative

I have had three Mormon relatives commit suicide. All in the same side of the family. Messed up......

Low Suicide Rate Among Active LDS (Mormons)

Well, my puter couldn't find the link - but let me just temper your personal comment:
When someone commits suicide it seems to follow that two others who knew that person will commit suicide themselves - be it cousins, friends, bros & sisters, whatever ... part of that ol' "It happens in threes" syndrome.
This is ... or should be ... a major deterrent for people who are on the brink of taking their own life so, the two major things "they" should consider are:
1) It actually ends up being abusive to the living - they react in different ways; some feel a guilt they shouldn't feel, some feel an automatic hatred toward the world; some get lost in grief - so it's not fair to the living to take the "easy way out". It's a major act of not caring.
2) Somebody the suicider knows and maybe even loves will take their own life - and then, after them, somebody they know and/or love - and so on so, in essence, it could be considered an act of murder-from-the-grave.

It's too bad, really. You'd think that the one, great, personal thing that one could do to end their own suffering ... would be to end their own suffering ... but it ain't so. So Buck-Up - Suicide is not an alternative to simply getting over your problems and on with your life - miserable or not!
Now, just a moment on the link - I think I can guess the content - and while it's true that Mormons teach "tolerance" - which would help lower personal stress - and that they also teach "keeping idle hands busy" like, say, with genealogy and/or other involvement in the Mormon community - it is also true that Utah (in particular) and Mormons (in general) have been hiding many truths involving the facts and figures of life in Zion. Traditionally - and don't ask me to cite references - Mormons are known for hiding the gay numbers and also the sexual-abuse numbers and Utah is known for hiding the true crime numbers, alcoholic numbers and suicide numbers.

[isabel]

I can tell you my x-daughter in laws family was crushed, changed forever by...her brother committing suicide, shot himself in his parent's home, when nobody was home, at the age of 19. That was 15 years ago and they are still not over it. Her mom still sees a shrink and takes antidepressants. She has her good days and bad. The daughter was 15 at the time and was left parentless for many years because the mom & dad were overwhemed mentally with what happened and couldn't parent for years...daughter turned to drugs to handle her grief.

One of Les's friend's son committed suicide just recently...he was 18 years old, and the family is catholic. All over a girl. The family will be changed forever.

You're right Wyody. It is a act that has far reaching results and hurts and sometimes ruins whole families.

Izzy

[Wyody]

And some people are not forgiving, either.
I'm talking about the self-righteous who walk in and speaking in hushed tones, quote what they think they know about a Bible passage - as if it's their duty to do so.
Most folks learn to think outside the box on that one - and in fact can be directed to other passages that refute what that one, damning passage says (you know, right? I shouldn't have to quote it - and don't want to).
Seems some people cannot wait to cause other people to sink deeper into sorrow and despair - which only adds to the harsh effects.
Suicide struck close to home here too - but instead of people seeking the therapy, they usually go on with all the junk stacked-up inside.
And therapy takes wrong turns as well! Changes from each therapist to the next - and the groups they're "in charge of".
I sometimes say that there's nothing wrong with wanting that free bus-ticket home, depending on the situation ... but as is obvious, it's not an area of my expertise.

[PDXnative]

Here is a link to a different article

Utah's Shocking CDC Statistics Amid Mormonism - Life After Ministries

The first one I sent was a study done by BYU stating that suicide rate is low in active LDS members, but also talked about the suicide statistics in Utah, which are shocking. Duh..... that is like saying suicide rate is lower in active students who get straight A's. If people are active in any sort of social group, that usually means they are happy and not thinking about killing themselves.

[Wyody]

PDX, you've hit upon a topic that is a current befuddlement to me, i.e., being part of social groups.
We're not allowed to interact with the 80/90 folks we "serve" and have little time that we can be away, don't do church, don't drink hardly, don't bowl, the pool is only open when our schedule doesn't allow use and we live in a small town and thereby have real trouble finding options outside the house.
You and your house seem to be involved in different projects all the time - maybe you'd consider beginning a thread or something to assist some of us. It's about to be rainy for 6 months - and I'm tired of big-time 'rasslin' all the time, CNN/Fox News and the Mrs. doin' her monitoring-crap on her sites.
Need outlets!

[PDXnative]

We constantly sign up for classes at the community center and around town. Right now, my wife is in playing the cello (my ears are bleeding), and I have decided to take up the guitar. Actually.... my wife signed me up, but I did want to take them. If you sign up for classes, you are forced to go.... :)

I am also thinking about taking some creative writing classes and see about doing travel writing. Not for the money, I just thought it would be cool to get published and let others know about the cool stuff you find while traveling.

And the other thing that keeps us going during the rainy season (all 9 months of it) is short and long term realistic goals. Without goals, what is the point of living?? And they should be exciting goals, too!!! Nothing lame like, some day..... I will clean out the garage...... some day...... I will take a vacation..... some day..... some day...... time goes by too fast to not have reservations!!!!

[Wyody]

Odd, I took 6 months off once to try and improve on the guitar. I did improve - did several small shows of flamenco-rock takes on Stevie Ray and such. My problem with any other instrument besides of piano is that, once I lay it down, it all goes away ... almost all, anyway.
You're right about classes being a good catapult - however, I've found the notion rather pointless as I've gotten older. Maybe I just haven't stumbled onto the next good idea yet.
Thanks for the ideas!

[PDXnative]

I really like the Flamenco and Spanish guitar.

YouTube - Malaguena - Spanish Guitar | CD | Free Tab

YouTube - Malaguena - Spanish Guitar | CD | Free Tab

YouTube - Virtuoso Spanish Guitar

YouTube - Virtuoso Spanish Guitar

[Panterro]

Hey Sails I also like Spanish and Flamenco guitar! Nice videos by the way!